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Comment on: Publius Valerius Poplicola

Hey Townhall - DELETE THIS!

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Wednesday, October, 21, 2009 5:09 PM jevica writes:

moshe

I beat NS here, let's see if it happens again, if it's the image, title, or comments.
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Wednesday, October, 21, 2009 7:31 PM Neocon_Slayer writes:

I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to

flag this HIGHLY offensive thread and notify admin.

jevica, did you ever look into that Israeli spying thing I posted a while back, btw?

I remember at the time being called an 'anti-Semite' for posting it at BrianRetard's Island.
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Wednesday, October, 21, 2009 7:57 PM moshe writes:

Neocon, Jev

Neocon -

Well if you don't like it, then go someplace else.

Get off my blog, you punk!

Hahahahahaha!

Seriously - could you please refrain from calling Brian "BrianRetard"?

I don't consider BrianR a retard at all, but, of course, you're entitled to your own opinion.
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Jev,

Thanks, Jev. Let's see what happens. Like I said, this ought to be fun!
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Wednesday, October, 21, 2009 8:27 PM Neocon_Slayer writes:

I'll call him whatever I please

He saw fit to refer to me as a "Nazi", so he MUST be retarded.

I don't plan on remarking on that POS much, so it shouldn't be a big deal.

Just wondering if jevica ever looked into the Israeli spying ring operating inside the USA that Fox reported on after 911. Jev seemed not to believe it was possible (labeling me a "Truther" for bringing it up), despite the FACT that the story appeared on Fox.
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Wednesday, October, 21, 2009 9:10 PM moshe writes:

Neocon, Jev

WASHINGTON - Scientist Stewart David Nozette appeared in court here Tuesday on charges that he attempted to sell US national security secrets to Israel.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1256037270829&pa gename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull
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Oops!!!

Oh those poor Israelis!

They're just hapless victims of anti-semitism!!

Let's sell them some more phosphorous bombs, so they can incinerate women and children!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Thursday, October, 22, 2009 7:22 PM Neocon_Slayer writes:

Dang it moshe!

You're REALLY pushing the limits of offensiveness now!

Actually smearing our good ally Israel like that!

Shame on you sir!

What you are saying is either:

A) In the realm of Trutherdom
B) Anti-Semitical
C) Easily explained away
D) In aid of the Islamofascists
E) All of the above

Whatever the case, Israel is innocent of any charges leveled against it, obviously.

And, every single one of the people killed by the Israeli govt was an Islamofascist or one of their sympathizers...subhuman A-Rabs who didn't deserve to live in the first place.
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Thursday, October, 22, 2009 7:51 PM moshe writes:

Neocon_Slayer

I apologize.

I like you, because you keep me honest.

I will never again question the Jewish state.

And if I do... I'll eat a cockroach!!!
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Thursday, October, 22, 2009 7:54 PM moshe writes:

Neocon_Slayer

I've always wondered.

What's the opposite of a "truther"?

A falser?

A falsifier?

Or maybe - and simply - a neocon?

What say you?
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Thursday, October, 22, 2009 9:11 PM Neocon_Slayer writes:

Well logic would dictate that the

opposite of Truther = Falsifier...I guess...?

However, what good is logic?

It doesn't seem to hold sway over those who think the USA would be lost w/o the State of Israel (espionage committed against the USA or not) does it?

As w/most labels (which I must admit to using) "Truther" is a slandering term that allows its users to conveniently and effortlessly dodge uncomfortable facts. Its much easier than actually USING their brain synapses, isn't it?

Likewise w/Israel...ANY criticism of its actions, or a non-conformity to the idea that Israel is entitled to the land area of Palestine (and to hell w/the former inhabitants of the land) is immediately met w/charges of "anti-Semitism"--then there is the mindset of the Religious Right that thinks Israel/Jews are God's "Chosen People" (doesn't get more supremecist than THAT, does it?) whom the USA must stand w/at all costs.

Even acts of blatant espionage committed against the USA by Israel aren't enough to warrant serious criticism by the neocons here at TH, apparently...but criticizing the BEARERS of this news is required!

Incredible, isn't it?
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Thursday, October, 22, 2009 9:14 PM Neocon_Slayer writes:

Dang it, now it looks like I'm gonna

have to eat a cockroach too!

How dare I citicize the religion-based/apartheid Jewish State!??

I'll take mine deep-fried please...
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Thursday, October, 22, 2009 9:17 PM Neocon_Slayer writes:

US Joins Ranks of Failed States

The US has every characteristic of a failed state.

The US government’s current operating budget is dependent on foreign financing and money creation.

Too politically weak to be able to advance its interests through diplomacy, the US relies on terrorism and military aggression.

Costs are out of control, and priorities are skewed in the interest of rich organized interest groups at the expense of the vast majority of citizens. For example, war at all cost, which enriches the armaments industry, the officer corps and the financial firms that handle the war’s financing, takes precedence over the needs of American citizens. There is no money to provide the uninsured with health care, but Pentagon officials have told the Defense Appropriations Subcommittee in the House that every gallon of gasoline delivered to US troops in Afghanistan costs American taxpayers $400.

"It is a number that we were not aware of and it is worrisome," said Rep. John Murtha, chairman of the subcommittee.

According to reports, the US Marines in Afghanistan use 800,000 gallons of gasoline per day. At $400 per gallon, that comes to a $320,000,000 daily fuel bill for the Marines alone. Only a country totally out of control would squander resources in this way.
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Thursday, October, 22, 2009 9:19 PM Neocon_Slayer writes:

II

While the US government squanders $400 per gallon of gasoline in order to kill women and children in Afghanistan, many millions of Americans have lost their jobs and their homes and are experiencing the kind of misery that is the daily life of poor third-world peoples. Americans are living in their cars and in public parks. America’s cities, towns, and states are suffering from the costs of economic dislocations and the reduction in tax revenues from the economy’s decline. Yet, Obama has sent more troops to Afghanistan, a country half way around the world that is not a threat to America.

It costs $750,000 per year for each soldier we have in Afghanistan. The soldiers, who are at risk of life and limb, are paid a pittance, but all of the privatized services to the military are rolling in excess profits. One of the great frauds perpetuated on the American people was the privatization of services that the US military traditionally performed for itself. "Our" elected leaders could not resist any opportunity to create at taxpayers’ expense private wealth that could be recycled to politicians in campaign contributions.
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Thursday, October, 22, 2009 9:20 PM Neocon_Slayer writes:

III

An unmistakable sign of third-world despotism is a police force that sees the public as the enemy. Thanks to the federal government, our local police forces are now militarized and imbued with hostile attitudes toward the public. SWAT teams have proliferated, and even small towns now have police forces with the firepower of US Special Forces. Summons are increasingly delivered by SWAT teams that tyrannize citizens with broken down doors, a $400 or $500 repair born by the tyrannized resident. Recently a mayor and his family were the recipients of incompetence by the town’s local SWAT team, which mistakenly wrecked the mayor’s home, terrorized his family, and killed the family’s two friendly Labrador dogs.

If a town’s mayor can be treated in this way, what do you think is the fate of the poor white or black? Or the idealistic student who protests his government’s inhumanity?

In any failed state, the greatest threat to the population comes from the government and the police. That is certainly the situation today in the USA. Americans have no greater enemy than their own government. Washington is controlled by interest groups that enrich themselves at the expense of the American people.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/roberts/roberts276.html
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Thursday, October, 22, 2009 9:24 PM moshe writes:

Hey Neocon...

I wonder how long before this post gets deleted....?

We are speaking the truth. And that's not acceptable.
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Thursday, October, 22, 2009 9:29 PM Neocon_Slayer writes:

You see, though, moshe its those

evil 'Islamofascists' we need to worry about!

THEY'RE the ones who want to destroy America!

Unless 'we' establish democracies in every Islamic State in the world (by force) they'll overrun us...you don't want to live under Sharia Law do you buddy?

Any price (even $400/gallon of gas) is worth paying in order to keep the 21st Century Caliphate OVER THERE instead of us fighting those heathen in the streets of S.F. (though the America-hating libs there would probably welcome them!), L.A., NYC, St. Louis, Houston, Seattle, Tallahassee, and everywhere else (remember, they're a BILLION-man army!)...

Now can you see why I have so little regard for even a 'moderate/real' Conservative like the guy who isn't a Retard (who actually has the gall to call himself "libertarian-leaning")?

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Thursday, October, 22, 2009 9:31 PM moshe writes:

Neocon_Slayer

Israeli assessments regarding a nuclear deal under negotiation with Iran is that it benefits mainly the Islamic regime as it allows Teheran to "buy time" and gives the republic legitimacy to enrich uranium, Israel Radio reported on Thursday.
Webmaster's Commentary:

As I predicted yesterday, Israel is trying to find some way to scuttle the Iran deal and proceed with the war.

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Israel is cornered here. For that matter so is the United States. When this Iran deal goes through on Friday, the primary excuse for war with Iran evaporates.

Where does that leave Israel and the United States?

Israel now faces war crimes charges at the Hague. Yes, the United States will veto the Goldstone Report in the Security Council, but the ringer in the deal is that the General assembly, under Resolution 377, can bypass the Security Council and send the Goldstone Report to the Hague and the United States and Israel cannot stop it. Earlier this year, the General Assembly voted through a resolution requesting Israel to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and submit to the exact same IAEA inspections that Iran (and every other NNPT signatory) submits to. Israel refused. The fact that Israel and the United States were not able to deflect this Resolution tell us that the General Assembly has lost all patience with Israel. The credibility of the UN as a world governing body is on the line. The probability that the General Assembly will bypass the Security Council is therefore very high. A war with Iran would have distracted the media from Israel's war crimes charges. That seems not likely to happen now.

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Thursday, October, 22, 2009 9:33 PM moshe writes:

Neocon_Slayer

Continued....


As for the United States, the US Government was hoping to ignite a new major war, one which would distract Americans from the already failed wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, not to mention the economy destroyed by failed US Government policy. And based on prior history, the US Government probably anticipates that a new major war would persuade Americans to forget their anger over the aforesaid failed government policy, and imbued with a renewed patriotic fervor would suddenly return to being obedient breeders of soldiers and payers of war-taxes. As naive as that expectation might have been, the Iran enrichment deal ends the possibility of a new war with which to distract from the old war.

So both the United States and Israel are in serious trouble. They had wanted war with Iran to distract the world from their various domestic problems, and now that is not likely to happen. Israel has to live with their war crimes charges. The US has to live with their ruined economy and failed wars, and public anger. Both Israel and the US are showing themselves as desperate to block Israel war crimes charged from progressing, and may have wasted that political capital in vain if the UN General; Assembly invokes Resolution 377.

So, in short, Israel and the US are cornered politically. Cornered animals are the most dangerous and desperate. Our future is in the hands of whichever leader is the least mentally stable, and ready to hit the panic button. That panic move; that striking out from the corner could be something subtle like a new false-flag "terror" attack, or something as straightforward as simply attacking Iran without provocation.

But Israel and the US are cornered right now. and we should be prepared to see them act like it.
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http://www.whatreallyhappened.com
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Thursday, October, 22, 2009 9:34 PM Neocon_Slayer writes:

If I had to guess what was 'offensive'

about the disappeared thread (and this resurrected version) I would say the pictures of the service-people you included.

Can't actually SHOW the faces of those who died for a lie, that would be offensive...unlike defending the criminal murderers who sent said troops to their deaths.

We don't want to remind anyone that people (REAL, usually young people) actually DIE in war, do we? It might make the armchair warmongers uncomfortable...or make some lying politicians/bureacrats look bad.
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Thursday, October, 22, 2009 9:46 PM moshe writes:

Neocon_Slayer

I think you're right.

The images force the neocon scum to look in the mirror, and that's the last thing they want to do.

They know who and what they are.

That is, in fact, the reason they ARE what they are.

Does that make sense?

Good insight, neocon. As always.
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Friday, October, 23, 2009 3:50 PM Neocon_Slayer writes:

Hey moshe, what's up?

I had to run w/o saying "bye" yesterday.

I just read your posted article...I do hope Iran avoids getting attacked by the bullying USG and Mini-Me. They sure are playing it very cool and smart.

I don't put much faith, at all, in the UN. I think it is completely illegitimate as an institution and that it was created to serve the interests of Western elitists. It was a little scary how that article referred to "The credibility of the UN as a world governing body is on the line."

I see the UN (along w/other int'l orgs) as a quasi-world govt that seems to gain more power as time goes along, step-by-step (thanks to our traitorous elected officials)...it is horrific to think that, someday in the near future, ANOTHER layer of govt (even more remote, disconnected, foreign, and hostile than the current federal govt) may be imposed over us.

That said it is always welcome to see crimes investigated and reported on, though folks in the USA generally are unaware/unconcerned w/crimes committed by Israel and the USG.

I realize that being in the UN is something the elites in the USA want, but I wonder why Israel stays in?



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Friday, October, 23, 2009 3:52 PM Neocon_Slayer writes:

moshe, how would you define "neocon"?

I'm wondering if we can come up with a succinct definition of the term?

A few sentences, perhaps...?
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Friday, October, 23, 2009 3:53 PM Neocon_Slayer writes:

Hopefully we can get this into the

What's Hot section again, to see what the neocon admin does.
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Friday, October, 23, 2009 7:16 PM moshe writes:

Neocon_Slayer

How do I define neocon?

This page has some pretty good definitions, in my opinion:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=neocon

Some of 'em are damn funny!
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Friday, October, 23, 2009 7:22 PM moshe writes:

Neocon_Slayer

I realize that being in the UN is something the elites in the USA want, but I wonder why Israel stays in?
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That's a good question, especially since Israel is so egregious in its flaunting of UN resolutions.

I don't know.

With regards to the UN in general, I have to say, I'm with Mike Savage when he says to kick 'em out of New York, and turn the place into a homeless shelter.

Hahahaha!
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Saturday, October, 24, 2009 4:05 AM jevica writes:

moshe

The Israel spy thing does it go back to Jason Pollard? I think there is another one now.

Didn't Iran back out of the Deal about Russia and refine Uranium? Even so why let them get back more refined stuff [no matter who does it] then they could do themselves?
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Saturday, October, 24, 2009 2:28 PM Neocon_Slayer writes:

This one jevica...

http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2009/09/10/911-our-truth -and-theirs/

Details Israeli spy rings inside the USA and their tracking of 911 hijackers.
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Saturday, October, 24, 2009 2:31 PM Neocon_Slayer writes:

Israel and the UN...

Since thinking about it more, I wonder if their membership has something to do w/the fact that the 'legitimacy' for the creation of the State of Israel came from an act of the United Nations?

It might not look good for Israel to turn its back on the organization that created it I guess.
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Sunday, October, 25, 2009 9:35 PM jevica writes:

moshe

Same post name, has comments by the three of us how come it's still here? [rhetorical question]

Better yet, why did they pull the last one?

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Friday, November, 13, 2009 3:25 PM Neocon_Slayer writes:

Hey moshe, what's up?

Haven't seen you on here in a while, just saying "hi".

I came across this today and it seemed to fit w/this blog:

The great majority of information concerning mind control as a military tool and the cooperation of the Soviets with our military and its efforts at mind control are shrouded in secrecy.

Americans have a right to know what techniques and experiments are being used on their fathers, mothers, sons, daughters, brothers and sisters who have, or will, experience the horrors of war.

The thought the government would not engage in such activity is preposterous. One need only look before and during the Vietnam War to see what mind control experiments were being conducted, many times against the will of the soldier involved. There is presently a lawsuit filed by attorney Gordon Erspamer in January in Federal District Court in San Francisco against the Army and CIA on behalf of Vietnam Veterans of America (VVA) and six former soldiers who claim to be survivors of these experiments. Found here is the actual proof these experiments were conducted.

Are we to believe that somewhere between these mind control experiments on both civilians and soldiers, both then and now, the government has acquired a moral compass concerning what it will and will not do to those it considers to be nothing but indentured servants and guinea pigs? Americans can blindly accept the lies of government and continue providing their children to the monster, or begin to demand answers to questions like those posed above.

How long will we continue to compile evidence for Henry Kissinger’s claim that "Soldiers are just dumb, stupid animals, to be used as pawns of foreign policy?"


LINK TO ENTIRE PIECE: http://www.lewrockwell.com/gaddy/gaddy73.1.html
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Friday, November, 13, 2009 9:19 PM moshe writes:

Neocon Slayer

What up dude!

Yeah, I haven't had much to say lately.

Time is passing so quickly, and there's so much to do.
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Believe it or not, there was a time when I regretted that I had never served. This was when I still believed in the "war on terror".

(Don't tell anyone, but I used to be a neocon.)

I pulled my head out of my a$$ after discovering Ron Paul about two years ago.

Like they say, the truth has a certain ring to it. This is why there were so many moments of silence from those in the crowd during the debates.

They knew they had just heard the truth, despite what the likes of Sean Hannity were telling them.
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Friday, November, 13, 2009 9:25 PM moshe writes:

By the way,

Am I the only one who thinks Kissinger is more evil than Hitler?
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How long will we continue to compile evidence for Henry Kissinger’s claim that "Soldiers are just dumb, stupid animals, to be used as pawns of foreign policy?"
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Then again, we do have to protect our "national interests".

Riiiiiight!

I have yet to hear a neocon give a coherent definition of "national interests".
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Saturday, November, 14, 2009 1:15 PM Neocon_Slayer writes:

I hear you moshe, me too...

My dad served in Vietnam (given a choice between jail and the army)...granddad in WWII (drafted)...and great-granddad had an exemption from WWI due to having too many kids...I kind of just assumed I'd get my chance to "proudly serve my country" and probably would've, had Desert Storm happened a few years later (I was in high school when it went down). I nearly joined up after h.s. (didn't really have any idea what I wanted to do, couldn't afford college, etc.)--was THAT close to going through w/it--but got the best advice of my life from Granddad who said being in Uncle Sam's army was the worst experience of his life (he thought the USA had no business being in WWII) and cautioned me not to trust a single thing 'they' were telling me. I told the recruiter (literally) to phuck off the next time he came around. The look on his face! Like I'd just killed his puppy-dog! I had scored VERY high on the entry test, so he REALLY wanted to reel me in.

By the time the latest war happened I was well on my way to disbelieving EVERYTHING the govt said, though I too briefly bought into the propaganda. Never again. In the unlikely event I was ever drafted (for an imperial war) I would refuse to comply.



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Saturday, November, 14, 2009 1:20 PM Neocon_Slayer writes:

On Kissinger...

Yeah, moshe, its a GD'd shame that the neocon rank-and-file around here are blind to the fact that Nazis exist in America--and are leading them around by the nose.

That line about military men being stupid animals never ceases to amaze me. Sometimes they flat out tell the truth, but no one seems to take notice.

THAT is what the elites think of the suckers who sign up to fight THEIR war games. This is what the grunts in uniform are fighting for, not to defend freedom, or America, civilization, or our way of life. It puzzles me why more can't see this.

What is that saying about patriotism being the last refuge of scoundrels, eh?

Take care...time IS flying, almost 2010, already!
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Saturday, November, 14, 2009 5:11 PM moshe writes:

Neocon Slayer

Fascinating family history.

I'd love to be able to say that I come from a distinguished military family, but I don't. My grandfather was in WWII, but that's about it.

Tell me something. I appreciate your insights, and you're probably more knowledgeable than I am.

Should we have been in WWII? I really don't know enough about it to have an opinion, one way or the other.

I KNOW WWI was unnecessary, as has been EVERY armed conflict post-WWII.

And today's wars in the ME are a joke.(Well, they would be, if they weren't crimes against humanity, that is.)
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Saturday, November, 14, 2009 8:47 PM Neocon_Slayer writes:

Well moshe, from what I've learned,

WWII doesn't happen w/o the USGovt meddling in WWI. It was, in effect, a continuation of WWI. A German general (can't remember which one) after WWI and the horrible Versailles Treaty (thanks to the USA, remember) said something to the effect of "This isn't a peace it is a 20-year armistice."

Germany, contrary to popular mythology had some VERY legitimate reasons for its belligerency.

U.S. involvement in WWII was totally unnecessary. Also, FDR's admin actively sought conflict w/Japan in order to have an excuse to declare war on Germany, so that it could bail England (and its empire) out.

Even w/o American involvement, Germany (after it foolishly attacked the USSR) was in way over its head. The English and Russian empires combined controlled somehting like 40% of the world's landmass, had control over huge populations, and had access to abundant natural resources. Their industrial capacity dwarfed Germany's. Germany was totally outmatched in every relevant way. One might say they had great military minds, but remember who their CIC was--HITLER, whose incompetence may have been the Allies best advantage. At best (for the Germans) a stalemate MAY have occured.

More later, see ya.
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Sunday, November, 15, 2009 2:04 PM Neocon_Slayer writes:

Good morning moshe!

Hope your head doesn't hurt too much:)

Had to run last night, but meant to say that I don't feel like I'm from a distinguished military family either.

As I said, my grandpop HATED serving. He HATED fighting the Germans. He HATED being told what to do by moronic officers. He HATED the whole system of the armed forces.

And, my dad came back from Vietnam hooked on heroin, injured (physically--2 Purple Hearts--and mentally), and never fully got over the experience. Once back here, all the VA did was hand out heroin-lite (methadone) to him. He ended up dying in his early 40's due to substance abuse related issues.

Even w/all this, like I said, I nearly joined anyways.
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Sunday, November, 15, 2009 2:33 PM Neocon_Slayer writes:

More on WWII

Think about the consequences of American involvement:

Germany (a natural check on Russia) was utterly destroyed and divided for a generation.

The USGovt wasted 10's of thousands of American lives and (in today's dollars) trillion$ on a European war.

The British and French lost their empires anyways. WTF was the USA doing siding w/colonial powers in the first place?

America assisted the USSR (and the worse-than-Hitler Stalin) in becoming a co-superpower. Made the world safe for Communism.

They also assisted the communist takeover of China by destroying Japan.

Just as Germany was eliminated as a check on Russian power, Japan was elminated as a check on Chinese and Russia's far-east influence.

It necessitated long-term and costly American involvement in Europe--we're still there today.

Also identical to Europe was/is America's long-term expense of involvment in east Asian/Pacific area.

FDR and his admin (filled w/Communist sympathizers) gave Russia/Stalin the go-ahead to take Eastern Europe and sowed the seeds for the Korean War.

The USGovt, in effect, created its next boogeyman by making sure the USSR emerged from the war stronger than ever and soon became the biggest threat to America's existence. However, I think even that threat was greatly overrated.

Hitler had anounced his intentions long before the war--"Lebensraum" (Living Space) carved out of Eastern Europe/Western USSR. He had no ambitions whatsoever to take on the USA (and didn't really even want to tangle w/England) or to take over the world.

Stalin and the Soviet Communists, however, had a LONG track record of promoting worldwide communism. They DID, unlike Hitler, have every intention of conquering the world. They may have succeeded. How stupid was it for the USGovt to help this faction?
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Sunday, November, 15, 2009 2:33 PM Neocon_Slayer writes:

done

And, let's not forget that America has pretty much been on a permanent war-footing ever since. Eisenhower's "military industrial complex".

The State of Israel was created as a direct result of WWII and American meddling. That hasn't exactly proven great for world stability or the American taxpayer.

America should never have fought w/either Germany or Japan. It really was very little different than WWI. These wars (prior to American meddling) were confined, for the largest part, in Eastern Europe/Western Russia and guerilla warfare in China/Indochina. It invovled European powers fighting each other and Japan attempting to dominate the far east and expel European powers from the area. It had zero to do w/the USA and didn't become a "world war" until the USGovt decided it wanted in on the action.

BTW: You remember Germany's heavy usage of HORSE-POWER throughout the war, right?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!
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Sunday, November, 15, 2009 3:08 PM Neocon_Slayer writes:

Your thoughts on the issue moshe?

As a mental exercise try to envision an alternate history of WWII, one in which the USGovt acted like, say, Switzerland, and made every attempt to STAY OUT of it, instead of desperately seeking an excuse to GET INTO the action.

The vast, 100's-of-years-old, people/natural resource-rich, and large industrial capacity English and Russian Empires (either ONE unconquerable) versus little Germany (effectivley landlocked, probably not fully recovered from WWI, incredibly disadvantaged nat'l resource-wise, had been a country less than 100 years, hopelessly complicated weapons systems, much smaller industrial base, already stretched thin militarily, run by the incompetent Hitler, etc.).

Is Germany able to conquer two superpowers at the same time?

Even w/o American entry how does Germany deal w/the disasterous consequences of its invasion of Russia--esp after the brutal Russian winter started (which the German army was utterly unprepared for)?

How does Germany deal w/the devastating bombing raids England was perfectly capable of conducting on its own?

English naval superiority/blockade?

How does Germany maintain its mechanized units w/o access to lots of oil?

How is Germany able to fight two superpowers while also holding down what its already conquered (there were serious insurrections nearly everywhere they occupied)? Can they do both, or either, even?

What happens when England/Russia are able to direct their vast resources into the war effort against Germany?

For Japan, how do they conquer a vast and populace area filled w/stubborn people (China/Indochina)--when they're in the same predicament as Germany in so many aspects--while also taking on European powers?
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Sunday, November, 15, 2009 3:09 PM Neocon_Slayer writes:

Thoughts?



At best Germany is able to fight England/Russia to a draw--at BEST. Most likely it is lucky to avoid being totally destroyed and hang on to a few territorial gains.

Likewise for Japan. I doubt it is ever able to conquer China/Indochina (probably forced to withdraw after decades of bloody fighting--just like USA in Vietnam and Russians in Afghanistan) and possibly snags a little territory. Then again, maybe England turns its attention on Japan after resolving things w/Germany.

I think the folks who believe we'd be speaking German right now, if not for the 'heroic' actions of the USGovt, have their heads up their ahsses. Ditto for Japan.

Wars generally weaken countries, and war is almost never necessary.

Since the Revolutionary War, I don't think a single war has been justified for the USGovt.
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Sunday, November, 15, 2009 3:22 PM Neocon_Slayer writes:

One big thing I forgot...

WWII made the Elites' dreams for the creation of a OWG apparatus come true. The United Nations is also a product of WWII--and, esp., USGovt meddling.

They wanted it (League Of Nations) after USGovt meddling created WWI, and Wilson desperatly wanted it, but no dice.

It is ironic how neocons have wet-dreams about WWII, but are utterly ignorant of all of the negative consequences of USGovt meddling in this [mostly eastern]European/[mostly far east]Asian conflict.

So many of the things they claim to hate have their origins in WWII (that is, I should say, the USGovt's CHOICE to get involved): permanent big govt here in the USA (FDR was in trouble politically and his fascistic/socialistic programs MAY have been reversed or curtailed w/o WWII to 'unite' the country), the UN, Muslim 'radicalization', a strong communist threat, USGovt spending vast amounts on int'l 'aid' (to bribe foreign govts into being on 'our side' during the Cold War and WOT, now), subsidizing of European socialism...

Instead, like w/so much else, the neocons choose to remain in fantasy land.
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Sunday, November, 15, 2009 6:08 PM moshe writes:

Neocon

Your intuitive and all-encompassing understanding of geo-politics is impressive, and I thank you for your input.

Everything you say makes sense to me; I never bought the whole "good" vs. "evil" thing.

But how would you answer those who say, "Well, Japan attacked us first. You're like the abused wife who keeps taking it and does nothing! Typical pre-WWII republican isolationist!"

Also, how could you possibly not support the invasion of Grenada?!

It was Ronald Reagan at his finest, spreading freedom and democracy! A shining beacon on a (dung)-hill!
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Sunday, November, 15, 2009 6:18 PM moshe writes:

Neocon

I don't know if this is true, but it wouldn't surprise me.

I read that in WWI, Germany was ready to accept Britain's cease-fire agreement when the zionists made Britain a deal: we'll get the US in the war on your side, and you give us Palestine.

Do you know anything about this?
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Monday, November, 16, 2009 1:13 AM Neocon_Slayer writes:

Grenada was phuckin-ay awesome!

And, to those who say "Japan attacked first." I would say they KNEW that the USGovt was gonna instigate a war w/them sooner, or later. In fact, embargoes against Japan and agreements to take over European bases in SE Asia were, effectively, informal declarations of war.

Not to mention, the USA sent warships into Japanese national waters and supported the Flying Tigers.

The USA has gone to war over FAR smaller affronts than what the USA subjected Japan to.

Even IF war w/Japan was justified, the war should've been confined to the Pacific for the USA. But, no, war w/Japan was just a convenient excuse for declaring war on Japan's ALLY, Germany.

Bottom line, the USA could've easily stayed out of the Germany VS England/Russia and Japan VS China/European colonies wars.
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Monday, November, 16, 2009 12:31 PM buck writes:

But you Must remember,

"...islam is a peaceful religion." Bush XLIII
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Monday, November, 16, 2009 12:34 PM buck writes:

Neocon Slayer

The United States sent warships into what territorial waters of Japan?

The United States did NOT declare war on Germany.

Germany and Italy declared war on the United States within the week of 12/7/41.
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Monday, November, 16, 2009 12:42 PM buck writes:

Neocon

"And, every single one of the people killed by the Israeli govt was an Islamofascist or one of their sympathizers...subhuman A-Rabs who didn't deserve to live in the first place."

Like every single German killed in WWII was a NAZI, huh????
In war civilians get killed. In urban fighting they get killed with monotonous regularity. If the Palestinians run Hezbollah out of there civilians wouldn't get killed. On either side. Do ya' think?
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Monday, November, 16, 2009 12:42 PM Jim writes:

Thanks Buck

I was about to point that out, but then why confuse things with facts on this blog.

http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/timeline/germany-decl ares.htm
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Monday, November, 16, 2009 12:43 PM buck writes:

Moshe

I think you've contracted a second rate "Ivan".
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Monday, November, 16, 2009 7:01 PM Recovering Liberal writes:

buck

Yes, I believe the USA did send warships into Japanese territorial waters prior to Pearl Harbor. This, combined w/other provocatives actions, was intended to goad the Japanese into attacking. A complete set-up. See the McCollum Memorandum.

It was also openly assisting England prior to Pearl, even though it was supposed to be neutral. This, my friend, was an act of war.

Bottom line, there was no pressing need for the USA to enter this conflict. And, another fantasy is that WWII (even w/the USA entering on the English and Russian empires side) could've gone either way. Ridiculous. All USA entry did was stack the odds even more impossibly against Germany and Japan.

If Switzerland was able to avoid being drawn into this conflict there is no reason the USA couldn't have done same.
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Monday, November, 16, 2009 7:19 PM Neocon_Slayer writes:

Hahahahahahahahaaaaaaaa!

Couldn't've said it better myself RLib!

Damn...we must read a lot of the same books or something!

Its tough dealing w/these neocon buffoons isn't it?!
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Monday, November, 16, 2009 7:20 PM Neocon_Slayer writes:

Jim, I guess my little history lesson

was wasted on you, eh?
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Monday, November, 16, 2009 7:24 PM Neocon_Slayer writes:

More retardedness from jim...

But you Must remember,
"...islam is a peaceful religion." Bush XLIII


Yeah, and Christianity has a great track record too, right?

The Inquisition...Crusades...genocide of the New World inhabitants...constant fighting among the CHRISTIAN nations of Europe...WWI, WWII...the slaughter of the Jews done by Christian Germany...I'd say Islam's crimes are small potatoes compared to Christianity's eh?
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Monday, November, 16, 2009 7:28 PM Neocon_Slayer writes:

buck, any ideas on how the Palestinians

can "run Hezbollah out of there"?

The USGovt has been unable to "run the terrorists out of Iraq-Af", w/all the massive resources it has at its disposal, but you think impoverished Palestinian civillians can do likewise?

I LOVE your cavalier attitude about civ casualties too--NICE! You ARE a Christian!

Do you also think the American civvy dead from the attacks on 9-11 are no big whoop, either?
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Monday, November, 16, 2009 7:37 PM Neocon_Slayer writes:

You two dumbshyts...

This is about more than a timeline about WWII.

This is about a more in-depth analyzation of events than what is taught to dumbed-down American school children in the socialist school system that govt runs.

You two have recited your govt school lessons well, I give y'all credit for THAT! Good little morons...now heres a bright shiny star for you two!

You two mongoloids are content to see WWII as Good Guys vs. Bad Guys, America was attacked out of the blue and had no choice but to defend itself from the evil Axis Powers who were hellbent on world conquest (and who came THAT close to achieving it!).

You twin imbeciles are perfect examples of the utter cluelessness of the typical American. Man, no wonder the govt is able to get away w/so much w/brainwashed fools like this...
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Monday, November, 16, 2009 7:46 PM Jim writes:

I confess Neocon_Slayer

I checked out everything you said, and it's all true, WWII was a conspiracy, After careful research based on your lead, I've determined that the US was tricked into the war by Hobits from middle earth, using pixie dust...
Yep, you're brilliant!
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Monday, November, 16, 2009 8:17 PM moshe writes:

Neocon Slayer

Are you "Recovering Liberal"?
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Monday, November, 16, 2009 8:18 PM moshe writes:

Recovering Liberal

Are you "Neocon Slayer"?
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Monday, November, 16, 2009 8:26 PM moshe writes:

Neocon Slayer

I want you to know that I do not condone name-calling.

That is the province of the neocons, after all, after they have lost an argument.

I get worked up to. I know. Too many of our compatriots are too cavalier when it comes to matters of life and death.

(And yet they oh-so-sanctimoniously oppose abortion. Hahahaha! I do to, by the way, but at least I'm consistent.)

However, unless I've been drinking, I can control it.

Educate, do not deprecate.(I should be a lawyer!!)
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Wednesday, November, 18, 2009 3:40 PM Neocon_Slayer writes:

Hello moshe! Guess what?

I've been asked--more than once--if I'm YOU!

Are you ME?

No, me and RLib aren't the same.

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Wednesday, November, 18, 2009 3:45 PM Neocon_Slayer writes:

Ahhh, Jim, the old "conspiracy nut"

argument...what a SHOCKER!

Yes, I'm a "conspiracy nut" for suggesting that the tripe taught in the socialist school system might not be entirely accurate...jeez, what is it w/you people?

I apologize for calling you and buck names...and to moshe for breaking his forum rules.

Jim, you certainly CAN check out what I said. Let me know where I'm wrong.

It really is sad to see your complete lack of ability to question 'official' history.

If you think Germany and Japan were capable of conquering the world, and if you think they WANTED war w/the USA--and that the attacks came out of the clear blue against the 'innocent' USGovt--then YOU must be smoking some of that good 'pixie dust'!!!

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