Obama and the Right to Choose (A Dead Baby) (Transferred from Young, Wise and Conservative)

Jessica, thanks - I want to share my thoughts on the subject. As a middle class male, I thought I really didn't have a right to an opinion because I possessed the wrong sexual plumbing required.

Also, as a Christian, my arguments against abortion were based entirely in the Bible - which, of course, made them useless against those who support abortion rights but do not believe in the Bible, or who believe mentioning biblical references in a debate is somehow a violation of the mythical "separation of church and state".

Then I heard Dr. Laura Schlesinger offer a common-sense approach to the problem.

Speaking of that group of cells in the womb, she asked:

Is it human? Well, it ain't dog or cat, is it?

Is it alive? Well, if it wasn't alive, we'd call it a miscarriage.

What is murder? It's the willful destruction of human life.

So in its simplest argument, Aborting an unborn human being is murder.

Dr. Schlesinger also challenged her male listeners, saying that since we had a part in creating the child in question - it was a cop-out for us to claim we had no responsibility in the decision to carry or abort a baby. She challenged us to take a stand, any stand, rather than stand idly by.

I didn't stop my thinking with Dr. Schlesinger. I heard President Bush - during his first campaign primary season - answer a question on abortion. He said he believed "abortion as a form of birth control" was wrong; and he believed there should be restrictions on the practice. He also believed in a "Three Common-sense Exceptions" rule: Rape, Incest, and Life of the Mother in question. That made sense to me.

So I am pro-life, with enough compassion to allow for a very private decision to end a pregnancy in the case of substantiated rape or incest, or medically documented risk to the life of the mother.

Just one man's view.

Jere -

Thanks so much for your comment. It is a subject near and dear to me as I love children and I agree that men have every bit as much right to this debate as women. In fact, I look at these 'dead-beat dads' and I think well no wonder! So I can murder my boyfriend's child without his input but if I decide to let the bugger live he's gonna PAY! LMAO! What a double standard!

I would ask you to please visit again later this week. I would like the opportunity to write a bit on the exceptions and hear what you think of my reasoning on the subject.

God Bless!

Jessica Hughes

I've always wondered why the man didn't have the right to choose not to use his body to support the child. It seems to me that that right has to go hand in hand with the right to abortion.

My opinion is that it all boils down to personal responsibility. Nobody wants to have any. When my ex had our child, I fought for the right to be a father to him, and the courts were anything but helpful. In Ohio, at least, a father is seen as nothing more than a sperm donor and an open wallet, at least in the eyes of the law.

But I supported him up until his stepfather adopted him. Giving him up was the hardest thing I've ever had to do. As an adoptee myself, he was the only actual flesh and blood relative I had. However, his stepfather loved him, and his mother had the courts available to harass me whenever I wanted to have some say in his upbringing. In the end, it was better for him to let him go. And oddly, the next month I found my birth mother.

Arik,

I have had a sadly opposing situation where I had to take all rights away from my sons' father. He was a paranoid schizophrenic who refused to take medication and became violent. I can only say that I did everything in my power, sometimes I think too much, to help him remain in their lives. In the end it was so damaging to them I chose a very hard path.

You on the other hand obviously care much for your son, so much you are willing to let him go on with a new father figure. My God, divorce and out of wedlock child bearing is destroying the peace of our children and it is so tragic! Please think about perhaps keeping a dated journal for your son. Thoughts on how you miss him, how proud you are of him, and why you have made the choice you did. I would be careful to forgive his mother and adoptive father if there is any animosity there stil (I couldn't blame you if there was). Make sure that that forgiveness is understood in the journal. Someday your son may come looking for you and you will be able to show him how he was in your heart all of these years. What a gift that would be to him. If he never does, when he is a grown man I would seek him out and explain without animosity what had transpired and give him the journal.

Arik, I will be praying for you and for your peace of mind. I cannot imagine the pain of losing the ability to see my children and my heart is broken for your loss. I will pray hard that you will find peace and reconciliation with your son.

Jessica Hughes

I don't hold it against her nearly as much as I once did. I think an awful lot of the problem came from her mother. Her mother didn't much like me (which seems to be a recurring theme in my relationships) and gave her all sorts of holy Hell for pretty much nine months solid. It was during this time that I really became pro-life, as opposed to pro-life with exceptions.

Her monther kept telling her she had to have an abortion, until I was all but convinced that that was what she was going to do. I felt absolutely helpless, and in the eyes of the law, I had no right to protect my child. Fortunately, she had him. I haven't seen him in eight years, and he'll be fifteen on Monday. I'm just glad he has a good home, and a father who loves him.

A few years after he was born, I was visiting him, and since she was at work, her mother was there. When he went down for a nap, my wife and I were sitting in the living room with her mother, and her mother said, "I know I gave [her] all kinds of grief while she was pregnant, and I would do it again. I still think she should have had the abortion."

I think that was the first time I ever looked, with my own eyes, in person, at pure, unadulterated evil. I am grateful, however, that his other grandparents, her father, and her husbands parents, are good people.

Jessica, That was good but I have to go alone with Jere and his views. I still think it is up to God on what is life or not. I believe that if a child is to come into this world then it should be loved . So many childern are born and the parents or mother don't want the child. So we can either let a child be born to someone that doesn't want it or do something different. That is not our decision but that of the mother and doctor. He or she have to live with the abortion and the pain that goes along with it. I was with a girl that had an abortion only because she didn't have anyone to be with her. I will say that it was not a good thing for her or me. The infant was not mine but it still worked on me. My thoughts are that if we didn't have legal abortions in clinics that there will still be abortions illegal abortion with alot of woman deing from unclean jobs done.

Jessica, That was good but I have to go alone with Jere and his views. I still think it is up to God on what is life or not. I believe that if a child is to come into this world then it should be loved . So many childern are born and the parents or mother don't want the child. So we can either let a child be born to someone that doesn't want it or do something different. That is not our decision but that of the mother and doctor. He or she have to live with the abortion and the pain that goes along with it. I was with a girl that had an abortion only because she didn't have anyone to be with her. I will say that it was not a good thing for her or me. The infant was not mine but it still worked on me. My thoughts are that if we didn't have legal abortions in clinics that there will still be abortions illegal with alot of woman dieing from unclean and unsafe clinics. This will always be a subject that will fought as long as there is human beings on earth. I still like what you said anyway. Keep up the good work.