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Comment on: Snow Knight's Castle

Hamas is responcible for what is happening now in Gaza

92 Comments
Monday, December, 29, 2008 12:46 PM The Crawfish writes:

Look at a map of the world

and the conflicts going on. Wherever they are, you will find muslims in the middle of it.
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Tuesday, December, 30, 2008 12:06 PM ben-Israel writes:

Shalom! Snow Knight

You are 100% right. Hamas has broken every cease fire agreement that they made with Israel. Israels fight is our fight because the freedom of the world is at stake. A very good post.
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Tuesday, December, 30, 2008 12:11 PM Watch Dawg writes:

Snow Knight

Good point about the Alimo! The ones who are behind this(Islamic exteramists)will stop at nothing untill everyone bows to their extreamist views. We must support Israel in this struggle agenst those who want to put the world under their thumb. Very good post indeed-much needed- carry on Snow.
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Tuesday, December, 30, 2008 2:22 PM crossbow writes:

true SK

I agree with Ben-Israel-Townhall magazine had a very good article on this. good post SK and hey! I came from Cleveland!!
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Tuesday, December, 30, 2008 3:01 PM Bobbie writes:

Good post and accurate.

I hope Israel keeps it up till the muslims on Gaza are dust. Then on to Iran. I wish Bush would have backed Israel up better than we have. We should have put an end to Iran's nuclear efforts and impressed upon the muslim world that we mean business. Bush didn't do it and I doubt that Obama will either. He'll go have tea and crumpets with them and they'll laugh at us while they finish their nuclear warheads. What a deal.

Good post, Snow.
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Tuesday, December, 30, 2008 3:21 PM Mrs. AL (Always Learning) writes:

Snow Knight

You Wrote: "My heart goes out to all in this terrible conflict and it will be very interesting to see how the new administration handles it."

I echo your sentiments, Snow Knight.

What frustrates me are all these protestors against Israel and yet most give a pass to Hammas. Can't fathom how those brains operate.

The other thing that kind of gets my goat is when I confront someone who is anti-Israel I ask them something along these lines ... 'ok, if all the land mass on earth were put together, Israel would take up what, 4-5 blades of grass? So why do so many want not only this little bit of land, but want Jews obliterated?' Never do get a direct answer (though I know the answer) because I think most don't want to admit the core of their hatred.

Sorry to go on ... sometimes I just have to spout off.

Again, great analysis, Snow Knight, and thank you.
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Tuesday, December, 30, 2008 4:15 PM KevInFl writes:

Re Hamas is responsible

Excellent analysis!! Without Isreal runninnng interference we would laready be over run by these barbarians
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Tuesday, December, 30, 2008 10:57 PM dawndawn writes:

Trigger Finger

Good, timely post, Snow Knight! Israel must prevail. Turning the other cheek only goes so far! Shame on the UN and EU for calling for a ceasefire! I say make a lake out of them! There is a reason this is happening now and much can happen in three weeks. Be awake, aware and pray! Shalom! And I wish you and yours a very peaceful, uneventrul New Year!
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Wednesday, December, 31, 2008 11:50 AM Snow Knight writes:

Crawfish

Thanks for coming by-what Israel is fighting is nothing less than those who want to distroy us as well.
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Wednesday, December, 31, 2008 11:52 AM Snow Knight writes:

Shalom! Ben-Israel

I have read your comments on other pro-Israel blogs--I concur. You have many here that Love Israel and fully support their current struggle to live peaceably on the land God gave them long ago.
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Wednesday, December, 31, 2008 11:54 AM Snow Knight writes:

Watch Dawg

Thanks-we are all in this for freedom.
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Wednesday, December, 31, 2008 11:55 AM Snow Knight writes:

C-bow

Hey! I lived in Cleveland not so long ago! I used those to make a point. I will look for that article!
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Wednesday, December, 31, 2008 11:56 AM Snow Knight writes:

Bobbie

I agree totally--I am amazes at the restraint Israel has shown so far under such Hamas agression.
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Wednesday, December, 31, 2008 11:58 AM Snow Knight writes:

AL

You are 100%right!! just ask pratically anyone about what is happening in the middle east and I can bet my tooth-fillings what you will hear is largely propaganda from the Arab world!!
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Wednesday, December, 31, 2008 12:00 PM Snow Knight writes:

Kev

Thanks!! I have read your blog--excellent!!and other entries at townhall are good as well!
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Wednesday, December, 31, 2008 12:03 PM Snow Knight writes:

dawndawn

right on! and right on! Where is the high and mighty UN when rockets are showering down on innocent civilians!!and the EU whereare they?? Israel must realize they are not alone in this struggle for their liberty!!!
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Wednesday, December, 31, 2008 1:26 PM rackoons writes:

Islamofascists even here in USA as well.

An article the other day showed that along with Mexican illegals, there are Hamas activists being smuggled into the USA over our southern border. We already know that Detroit, Balt., and other urban areas have mosques, madrasses that are filled with Islamofascist terrorists but the PC media will not make much of it. So when Livini says, she and Israel will not stop now, good for her. The fact is that every cease fire, every negotiation, puts Israel more and more in danger. The same will go with the USA as we 'tolerate' these Sharia law idiots. That CAIR defends the Pals in this action shows where many American Muslims are. Sorry, but after 60 years, I still do not trust the Islamos when it comes to promises of peace.
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Sunday, January, 04, 2009 7:59 PM The Crawfish writes:

SK

Let's hope that Israel has learned their lesson from the last Lebanon fight. Don't give in to the world opinion and UN pressure. FINISH THE JOB!

Purplegimp reports that some of her neighbors have heard tunnelling happening under their houses in the north. Hezbollah might be getting ready to make it a two-front war.
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Tuesday, January, 06, 2009 4:54 PM crossbow writes:

Snow Knight

I agree with crawfish---only full VICTORY will do. defeat is not an option. good post SK.
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Thursday, January, 08, 2009 9:26 AM Snow Knight writes:

rackoons

I saw one worse than that--Hezbula coming over the Mexican border. The Hamas cowards are also using the U N schools for thir attacks. Israel must press on and not back down an inch.I agree with crossbow---FULL VICTORY!!!
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Thursday, January, 08, 2009 9:29 AM Snow Knight writes:

Crawfish

I believe they have. Gaza is not hilly like Lebanon. Hamas has no where to go--Hamas must surrender. It will get more intense if Hezbollah rears its ugly head!!
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Thursday, January, 08, 2009 9:30 AM Snow Knight writes:

C-bow

Thanks!! FULL VICTORY!! defeat is not an option.
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Thursday, January, 08, 2009 10:49 AM Jason writes:

Snow

Nice Posting!!

They must win totally, to stand a remote chance in that region, as the whole area hates them. The Palestinian will to die over these events, is more that Israels will to kill. The Palestininan point of view is to "outbreed" the Jews in the Gaza strip. Israel has a big challenge ahead, and I hope as we all do the USA backs her....IN FULL.

Jason
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Thursday, January, 08, 2009 2:59 PM Gunny "knuckles" G© writes:

The Crawfish

has the right of it. Muslims, or as I call them, pit dwellers, the worshippers of Allah the Moon God, are at the root of 95% of the problems in the world.
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Thursday, January, 08, 2009 10:51 PM American Sweetheart writes:

snow

very good and thoughtful post. I too am interested in what is going to continue to transpire here. Israel has one army that I would never go up against. They are insanely insync and tactical. They need to take out Hamas once and for all and I hope to God they do it swiftly!
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Sunday, January, 11, 2009 12:51 PM davecatbone writes:

don't let the Liberals

off the hook for this.....Jimmy Carter has enabled them by making it okay to blame Israel. Peace through victory, shalom!
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Sunday, January, 11, 2009 5:54 PM Cindy writes:

I know they are, and always have been

Snow Knight you're right we have to stick together..Israel and all who stand with her are in for a vicious fight..We must stick together!
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Monday, January, 12, 2009 11:14 AM Snow Knight writes:

Jason

As far as I know the US is behind Israel. I am not holding my breath about Obamma.
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Monday, January, 12, 2009 11:16 AM Snow Knight writes:

Gunny

When they danced in the streets and cheered after 9/11 that told us all we need to know. Your stuff is great! keep fighting the good fight--we have only BEGUN to Blog.
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Monday, January, 12, 2009 11:18 AM Snow Knight writes:

AmSwt

The IDF-Israel Defense Force IS the best in the world. Just look at what they have to contend with every day!!Threats of harm and rocket terror. Now they have had enough-Hamas must be stopped and all who promote as such.
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Monday, January, 12, 2009 11:21 AM Snow Knight writes:

Davecat

I won't!!trust me I have only started!!This mess over there is largly Carters doing-by going over there and talking to the thugs of Hamas he encouraged them more to do their junk.
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Monday, January, 12, 2009 11:22 AM Snow Knight writes:

Cindy

Amen. I read your post on the constitution--very good!!keep up the good work!!
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Tuesday, January, 20, 2009 6:20 PM caday5 writes:

Snow Knight

Did you know that twice, Hamas has offered to give Israel full recognition pending their withdraw to the '67 borders--basically this is what every Arab nation has offered? Did you know that in the middle of this decade, Hamas observed a 16 month ceasefire while Israel continued to kill scores of Palestinians? Did you know that Israel was the first to break the latest ceasefire?

Certainly Hamas is not a club for angels, but there are multiple sides to the story and both Hamas and Israel share much responsibility and guilt for the killing of more than 1,000 Palestinians.
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Wednesday, January, 21, 2009 4:38 PM Snow Knight writes:

C5

Did you know that Hamas would NEVER give Israel recognition no matter what they did. When Israel pulled out of Gaza they left whole houses and a perfectly good greenhouse that could of grown food. Hamas swooped in and trashed it. Israel has given concession after concession for "peace" and what have they gotten in return??? in a word TERROR. Caday5 -YOU try to live next to someone who hates your guts and wants you "gone"-how many times would you allow missles lobbed in your living room??Hmmmmm?
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Thursday, January, 22, 2009 10:50 AM caday5 writes:

Snow Knight

your charge about Hamas is not proven. So rather than putting Hamas into positions where they have to keep their word, which is what Israeli academic Naomi Chazan suggested, you convict them as guilty without any need for evidence.

In the meantime, this is what some Israelis have said:

Zeef Schiff, a prominent military analyst said:
"the Israeli Army has always struck civilian populations, purposely and consciously"

Abba Eban, an Israeli statesman said:
"of an Israel wantonly inflicting every possible measure of death and anguish on civilian populations in a mood reminiscent of regimes which neither Mr.Begin nor I would dare to mention by name."

Or what Olmert said in 2006, "I believed, and to this day still believe, in our people's eternal and historic right to this entire land",

And according to the Lebanese press about Israel:
"routinely abducts Lebanese civilians from the Lebanese side of the Blue Line [the international border], most recently in December 2008"

Quotes can be found in: file:///D:/My%20Documents/Personal/2009/Writers/chomsky/exterminate%20the%20brutes%20in%20gaza.htm
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Monday, January, 26, 2009 9:06 AM ben-Israel writes:

Caday5

Just follow the rocket trails and you will find evidence enough.You jump on Israel and yet you completly overlook what Hamas is doing. I also see that you are resorting to the very same tactics you used at Conservabears place-asking loaded questions just to get in an arguement. I would think that you would realize by know that many of us here are not gonna play your petty little game.
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Monday, January, 26, 2009 9:09 AM ben-Israel writes:

Mr Snow Knight

I hav't really expressed my appreciation for your defense of Israel at Conservabears place and Bob's Nephews. You and many bloggers here at townhall are shoning the light for the whole world to see----if they choose to see it. Shalom, my friend.
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Monday, January, 26, 2009 2:47 PM caday5 writes:

ben-Israel

If you read my article or even my most recent blog post about the conflict, you will see that ignore no one's sins.

Besides that point, when you ask me to follow the rocket's trails, I ask whose rockets? Israel, as it has done before broke the ceasefire. Israel gives a false excuse of self-defense but does not recognize the Palestinians as having that right. Following in the US's tradition, Israel's battle are not about liberation or fighting evil, its battles are about control and who will lead.

Certainly the Qassam rocket attacks are war crimes. But so is Israel's use of white phosphorus as well as attacking civilian infrastructure, collective punishment, and so forth.
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Tuesday, January, 27, 2009 2:19 PM Snow Knight writes:

Yes, C5 it is proven

As a matter of fact it is proven over and over again. A founding purpose of Hamas is the distruction of the Nation of Israel, thus any "cease fire" agreement that is signed they wil never honor. Just this week the current "cease fire" was breached by the "palistinians" exploding a bomb--there is your answer.
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Tuesday, January, 27, 2009 2:21 PM Snow Knight writes:

Ben Israel

You're welcome , my friend. I invite you to read many blogs here on townhall. You will find many-like me-who are true friends of the nation of Israel.
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Tuesday, January, 27, 2009 8:03 PM caday5 writes:

Snow Knight

Not the founding purpose, in fact, Israel supported Hamas in its early days. In addition, Hamas has offered to fully recognize Israel twice on the same conditions that the neighboring Arab nations have and even held to a 16 month moratorium against attacking Israel despite numerous IDF attacks against Palestinians.

Since none of Hama's efforts for peace have even been recognized, let alone responded to, your accusations against Hamas are not proven.

In addition, it is Israel's goal to annex the land that the Palestinians live on in ways that do not cause a demographic problem for itself. Their latest invasion of Gaza is a prime example.
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Thursday, January, 29, 2009 2:26 PM Snow Knight writes:

read again C5

I said "A" founding purpose. Hamas is dedicated to the distruction of the Jewish state and refuses to acknowledge Israels right to exist. So any "agreement" that they sign they refuse to honor because of this founding purpose. In regards to efforts for peace absolutely none of the Arab states has gone as far as Israel. Land anfter land has been given and all Israel got in return was more rockets and terror. Hamas has proven my point for me. If you think I'm gonna budge from this position you have a long wait.
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Thursday, January, 29, 2009 9:28 PM caday5 writes:

Perhaps

you should read again. Twice they have offered to recognize Israel based on conditions. But actions speak louder than words. In the middle of this decade, they kept to a 16 month moratorium against attacking Israel even though Israel was constantly attacking Gaza.

And also remember the context of their statement. They are occupied, blockaded and invaded. So is their threat to undo Zionism a reaction or first strike? And if it is a reaction, if the occupation ended, would they change? Just as location is everything to real estate, context is everything statements.
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Friday, January, 30, 2009 12:13 PM Snow Knight writes:

C5

what part of " the distroction of Israel" do you not understand?? It is not Israel who are the "occupiers" but Hamas and the so called "palistinians"" As I have proven to you before on this issue the land was not even called palistine untill the Roman empire. Untill then it was the land of Israel-Sameria and Judeda.
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Friday, January, 30, 2009 4:23 PM ben-Israel writes:

conditions??

the only condition that Hamas will accept is Israels distruction. Not only Israel but the whole free world who do not hold to their idealogy.
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Friday, January, 30, 2009 4:25 PM ben-Israel writes:

C5

Hamas and those who think like them will not stop at Israel--they will strive to subjagate all under shria law--including you.
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Saturday, January, 31, 2009 10:54 AM caday5 writes:

ben-Israel

Your statement is the fear-mongering Hitler used against the Jews especially when he linked them with Bolshevism.

The question becomes whether one is either unable to make distinctions between different Islamic groups who are fighting oppression or unwilling to. Jason Burke, in his book on Al-Qaeda, is able to make those distinctions. There is no doubt a group of radical Muslims who want to subjugate the world. They are an extremely small minority but they exist. There are also others who are simply fighting for their own freedom.

But for as long as we oppress and occupy, we either cannot tell the difference between the two groups or we are helping those wanting to conquer the world recruit new soldiers.
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Saturday, January, 31, 2009 4:16 PM caday5 writes:

Re: Conditions

Twice Hamas has said that the conditions they require are the same conditions that the international community has set: return to the '67 borders.

If Israel had taken them up on that and Hamas attacked, you would have a point. However, all you have now is fear and possibly hatred.
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Saturday, January, 31, 2009 4:18 PM caday5 writes:

Snow Knight

And part of ceasefire or recognition of Israel do you not understand. All Israel has done is been the aggressor while playing the victim. For Israel to survive, they must retire from the fight game.
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Monday, February, 02, 2009 12:17 PM ben-Israel writes:

Caday5

Do not even think of accusing me of hatred. The facts and actions of the terror group Hamas speak for themselves. As far as your comment about fear is concerned the Jewish people have done good dealing with that over the years.
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Monday, February, 02, 2009 2:22 PM caday5 writes:

ben-Israel

but what you have insisted on ignoring, which is also well-documented, is Hamas's movements towards peace which has been rejected by both the US and Israel. In the middle of this decade, Hamas adhered to a 16 month moratorium against attacking Israel being responsible for only 1 Israeli death. During that time Israel constantly attacked the Palestinians--it was these attacks that ended Hamas's ceasefire.

In the Spring of 2006 and 2008, Hamas offered full recognition for Israel provided that they return to the '67 borders. Again, all of this was met with US and Israeli hostility.

Certainly Hamas is not filled with angels. But when they have offered the olive branch, it is rejected and is often met with violence.

That you would approve of collective punishment in the killing of 400 Palestinian children in an effort to get at Hamas is a good indicator that you have anger and hatred. That would ignore the times when Hamas has acted honorably so you could paint a solid black picture of them is another indicator.

And, btw, it was Israel who broke the latest cease fire.
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Tuesday, February, 03, 2009 11:31 AM Snow Knight writes:

Ben Israel

stick to your guns about Hamas. Just very receintly this thug gang launched the farthest reaching rocket into Israel. ---so much for the religion of "peace"
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Tuesday, February, 03, 2009 12:15 PM caday5 writes:

Snow

But don't even consider the approximately 400 children that Israel killed.

It seems that Conservative Foreign policy is built around the philosophy of taking one's own behavior for granted while taking exception at the actions of others.
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Tuesday, February, 03, 2009 2:33 PM Snow Knight writes:

Caday5

tell that to the ones firing the rockets.
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Tuesday, February, 03, 2009 4:55 PM ben-Israel writes:

Cada5 400 and WHY?

over 400 and why Caday5??? Why has Hamas launched rockets and terror attacks agenst Israel knowing full and well Israel wil defend itself agenst such terror. Does Hamas acually care about the innocent casuties of the conflict they are agitating? Does Huzbulla care about the distruction done in lebonon because of their kidnapping of an Israeli soldier?
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Tuesday, February, 03, 2009 4:58 PM ben-Israel writes:

Snow knight

The ones firing the rockets could not care less about the aftermath--they are so blinded by their Islamic hatred the only thing that they see is violence.
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Tuesday, February, 03, 2009 5:07 PM ben-Israel writes:

also caday5

It is not me that has the fear and hatred. The real fear and hatred come from those who do not tolerate anyone having a belief differant from theirs.
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Tuesday, February, 03, 2009 6:44 PM caday5 writes:

Snow

THe rocket count says that Israel has fired far more munitions at Gaza than Hamas has fired at Israel. Our responsibility is to condemn the targeting of civilians by any militant group or military. If you read my blog article http://extrememoderate.blogtownhall.com/2009/01/21/will_th e_real_palestinian_solution_please_stand_up.thtml you will see that I do that.

There are two parts to the solution here. First, both sides must agree to the ceasefire. Currently, Israel expects Hamas to refrain from all rocket fire and to disarm while Israel assumes the right to attack Gaza at any time. The latest round of rocket attacks were preceded by Israeli attacks.

The second part is for Israel to withdraw from all occupied territories. The press portrays the occupation of the territories as normal and to an extent, there is truth there. The occupation has become a normal way of life for the Palestinians but it is a criminal and immoral moral state of being.

It is the occupation that is initiates the cycle of hatred. The cycle is then fueled by the targeting of innocent civilians by both sides.

I would be more than glad to try Hamas leaders who directed rocket attacks at Israeli civilians for war crimes regardless of whether you would agree to reciprocate by supporting the prosecution of Israeli leaders for war crimes as well. The symmetric agreement would be fair and lawful and would promote equality.
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Tuesday, February, 03, 2009 6:51 PM caday5 writes:

Ben-Israel

So when Israel votes against a Palestinian state or claims, in congress that Israel has an unquestioned right to the whole land, including the occupied territories, where is the tolerance for those who are different?

And btw, killing innocent Palestinian civilians is probably as hateful as not tolerating those who are different. We are all humans and one dreadful human trait is to fear and hate those who are different. Anyone from any ethnicity can fall prey to that trait.

BTW, Israel broke the ceasefire first. Israel is conducting an illegal and immoral occupation which makes Gaza into a jail. And the stats show that even without the last invasion, Israel IDF forces have kill far more innocent Palestinian civilians than Hamas has killed innocent Israeli civilians.

Finally, the immoral action of one side does not justify the immoral action from the other. Why not, as I suggested to Snow, support the notion that both Israeli and Hamas leaders who have ordered or participated in attacks on innocent civilians be held for war crimes in the Hague.
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Wednesday, February, 04, 2009 12:35 PM Watch Dawg writes:

right again SK

As the world speeds to pounce on Israel they are overlooking serious facts in their haste---the terror group Hamas has oppressed the people of Gaza-forcing many to convert to Islam--the thugs have kidnapped journalists plus firing countless rockets into Israel--most reciently a rocket was fired that went deeper into Israel than any before--so there is the real oppession.
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Wednesday, February, 04, 2009 12:37 PM Watch Dawg writes:

ben Israel

I have read your responces here and I have to agree with you. Be strong.
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Wednesday, February, 04, 2009 12:41 PM Watch Dawg writes:

Caday5

you are supporting a terror group that could not care less about human life. How would you feel if someone started to shoot into your living room and threatened your family??how long would you stand by and put up with it before you took action??
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Wednesday, February, 04, 2009 2:06 PM caday5 writes:

Watch Dawg

What you just said about Hamas could also be said about the IDF. They shoot up the front of Palestinian homes and they bulldoze others sometimes with the families inside. They just killed 400 Palestinian Children in Gaza.

Plus, if you read my notes carefully enough, I have stated that both Israeli and Hamas leaders should be tried for War Crimes. In fact, if you read my note of Feb 3 at 6:44 PM, you will find that I have already written the following:

"I would be more than glad to try Hamas leaders who directed rocket attacks at Israeli civilians for war crimes regardless of whether you would agree to reciprocate by supporting the prosecution of Israeli leaders for war crimes as well. The symmetric agreement would be fair and lawful and would promote equality."
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Thursday, February, 05, 2009 5:06 PM Snow Knight writes:

C5 the rocket count

doe'snt matter-Hamas fired first. The latest responce from Israel is because of Hamas aggression. Targeting civilians? I think not Caday5. Israel does not-and never will use human sheilds or fire from hospitals or schoolyards. As far as any "occupation" is concerned it is the so called "palestinians"who are on the land that belongs to Israel. There is your "criminal and immoral state of being". If there is a "cycle of hatred" it is not from the ones to whom the land truly belongs to.
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Thursday, February, 05, 2009 5:21 PM Snow Knight writes:

C5 your article

was written well. You have a knack for structure,unfortunatly, it did not mention Islam-not one word.As a vital part of the genuis of our constitutional republic the declaration of independace does say "all men are created equal" however, this idea is incompatable with the teachings of Islam that teaches that all people be subjagated under muslums--in other words shria law. You can preach"equality" and we may both believe that way but to a muslum unless you convert to Islam you are nothing more than an infidel that needs to be "illiminated". You are also wrong about Arabs-all are equal citizens who live in Israel.
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Thursday, February, 05, 2009 5:24 PM Snow Knight writes:

and C5

because we are indavidually created -socialism fails. Would'nt you agree?
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Thursday, February, 05, 2009 8:42 PM caday5 writes:

Snow I

You don't kill 400 children out of 1,300 people and wound over 1,000 children without targeting civilians. You don't fire into residences without targeting civilians--something they did before the invasion of Gaza. You don't bulldoze houses, whether or not the families are in the houses at the time without targeting civilians. You don't destroy water supplies without targeting civilians. And yes, Israel has used human shields. Israel may not imitate all of Hamas's actions, but their superiority in weapons might explain that. Tell me, what is the difference between a suicide bomber killing civilians or an Israeli Air Force pilot dropping a bomb on a civilian target from thousands of feet up?

What, do you think that Israelis are sinless angels who live amongst beasts? No doubt that Hamas has committed crimes against humanity. But so has Israel. And this belief that they would never do this or that not only contradicts history and the present, it portrays them as people who cannot sin. What Israel is doing is simply what other groups have done who have been persecuted. Before coming to Palestine, the Jews were horribly persecuted by European Christians for centuries.

Finally, Israel fired first this time as they have other times. That is not to say that they have always fired first, but they did this time.

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Thursday, February, 05, 2009 8:52 PM caday5 writes:

Snow II

I know that we both believe in equality, your concern is whether Muslims do too. My experience with Muslims is that yes, they believe in equality too. And the testimony of activists who have lived with Muslims in Palestine confirms that.

If we take the approach to Christians that you take to Muslims, we would refer to Christian Reconstructions saying that Christians oppose democracy.

There are some from every group who favor equality and some who do not.

Also, considering that Martin Luther King favored democratic socialism, how is it that equality would rule out socialism? Helen Keller is another person who supported socialism.

Regarding Israel, again David Shipler's book "Arab And Jew" is just one source that documents the inequality in Israel.

Finally, thank you for the kind words regarding the article.
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Friday, February, 06, 2009 4:47 PM Watch Dawg writes:

No Caday5

Israel does not target civilians. They target the tunnels being used by the sadistic goons of Hamas to get weapons from their terror sponsor--Iran. These thugs that you are defeneding are more than happy to blow you up along with all those they hate. The real root of the struggle in the middle east is exactly what Snow Knight said on Feb5 at 5;21 PM : "all men are created equal" This idea is incompatable with the teachings if Islam that teaches that all people be subjagated under muslums---shria law. Unless you understand this fact you will never get it right.
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Friday, February, 06, 2009 4:50 PM Watch Dawg writes:

Ben Israel

I take it that you are Jewish. If so you have the right to practice your faith without fear of perscution or intimidation. Fear andpride led to the Holocaust and It still burns me up that there are those who are dening this historical fact.
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Friday, February, 06, 2009 5:30 PM caday5 writes:

Watch Dog

You can't kill 400 out of 1,300 and wound over 1,000 out of 5,000 children and say you are not targeting civilians. You can't shoot at the front of Palestinian Homes and say you are not targeting civilians. You cannot bulldoze homes with families inside and say that you are not targeting civilians. You can either bulldoze an activist to death or have a sniper shoot another one in the head and say you are not targeting civilians. You cannot bulldoze water supplies and say you are not targeting civilians. And you cannot keep the press out with the military in and say you are being transparent.

But I have said all of this before. The difference between the conservative belief in good and the left's belief in good is that conservatives place that belief in groups thus making idols of worship out of them. The Left does some of that too but they believe more in principles than in groups.
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Friday, February, 06, 2009 5:31 PM caday5 writes:

Watch Dog

One more point, how is calling for the prosecution of Hamas leaders who have called for rocket attacks an act of defending them? Read my notes and my blog.
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Monday, February, 09, 2009 7:23 AM caday5 writes:

Perhaps this interview

could clear things up. The link is below:

http://www.zcommunications.org/znet/viewArticle/20518
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Monday, February, 09, 2009 12:39 PM Watch Dawg writes:

Caday5

Why don't you try to answer my facts before you start on one of your rants. I mentioned the tunnels the goons of Hamas are using to get their bomb material from their terror sponsor Iran. If Hamas has these tunnels in residential areas WHO is really targeting civilians?
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Monday, February, 09, 2009 12:54 PM Watch Dawg writes:

also,Caday5

You are defending them by jumping all over Israel. Your comments are 90% Israels fault and 10% Hamas. You have also not addressed the problem that Snow Knight pointed out to you---In a muslums mind there is no equality - What you Snowknight, Ben and me does not mean anything in their mind. As far as principles are concerned it is the conservatives who are the ones standing their ground--any priciples that the left have they sacrificed of the alter of their liberialism.
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Monday, February, 09, 2009 3:49 PM caday5 writes:

Watch Dawg

Calling for someone's prosecution for crimes is hardly a defense. In addition, there is no law that prohibits both sides from being guilty.

Your statement "You are defending them by jumping all over Israel" is not logical. You can arbitrarily assign percentages but here is your problem. Currently, Israel illegally occupies Palestinian territories and it breaks international law by not ending the occupation and by building settlements on occupied territories. Israel carries a bigger stick. Israel has killed far more civilians than Palestinian terrorists have. Israel has since annexed almost 50% of the land that was considered Palestinian in 1967.

Hamas's rocket attacks are both immoral and counterproductive. But most of all, these attacks are responses to Israel's brutal occupation. However, leaders from BOTH sides merit prosecution.

Now if you can imply that giving credit where credit is due defends Hamas, then you are a magician. What you have failed to do is to show the specifics that support your statements.

Finally, I did answer Snow Knight's point. I said that what she described has not been my experience with Muslims. And please be specific regarding the principles that the left has sacrificed on the alter of liberalism. From what I have read, the left is very critical of liberalism.
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Tuesday, February, 10, 2009 9:21 AM Snow Knight writes:

first of all,caday5

I am a HE! and second of all you have not adressed my point. equality??HA! give me a break!!!In the Islamic mind there is one thing paramount-the world under Islam. Equality? BULL!!!!The muslum world have been in a civil war centuries-the sunnis blow up the shiites and visa versa. What we believe in our mind does not mean SQUAT!!!Unless you convert to Islam you are no more than a dirty infedel that must be illiminated. Also, the equality of our American system beats socialism bcause of our indaviduasl choice!!I alraedy told you that way back at the backyard grill. We are indavidually created to make indavidual choices--not trust in an "almighty"government to make choices for us. Do you think Martin luther king and Hellen Keller would allow the government to make desicions for them?? I think not.
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Tuesday, February, 10, 2009 9:30 AM Snow Knight writes:

Tell me, cady5

When it is hamas that is firing rockets and mortars for the sole purpose of murdering innocent people...who is targeting civilians? When it is hamas who sends homicide bombers to kill innocent people... who is targeting civilians? you guessed it ..Hamas. Is Israel sinless? no-but are they going to just sit there like a duck and allow a terror group to slaughter them??NO! If you read my post I make my case quite plain---land for peace?? What Israel got was bombs and terror. Isreal sinless no---living among beasts? Yes!!!
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Tuesday, February, 10, 2009 10:23 AM caday5 writes:

Snow

I did answer your question. The Muslims I know believe in equality.

There are many Muslims in the Middle East who favor equality but gov'ts like our's have stood in the way. Our steadfast support for Saudi Arabia, perhaps the most fundamentalist of all Islamic states, is an indicator of our support for non-democratic gov'ts. Egypt is another example. Though there are elections, the system is pretty well closed and they have become more/less a client state of the US. We opposed democracy in Palestine. When Hamas was elected, along with Israel, we conducted an economic assault on the country so that Hamas could not provide basic services for its people. The results of the denial of basic services is quite predictable, there is violence and unrest. And then we smuggled arms to Fatah in an attempt to either overthrow Hamas or start a civil war at the least. And since then, we have supported Israel as it has attacked the infrastructure of Gaza and continued to confiscate land in the West Bank. The retaliation, such as rocket attacks against civilian populations, is as wrong as it was predictable.

But the kicker is this, we never responded to Hamas' peace overtures. Rather, we ignored those efforts and just called them terrorists to justify our hostility. Everyone, including the US, engages in terrorism. What we did by the name calling is try to imply that is all that Hamas, and it isn't. Israel fires cluster munitions, shells populations, bulldozes homes, destroys water supplies, has snipers fire at women and children, and invades and one of its leading military analysts clearly said that Israel targets civilians.

There is no denial of Hamas' crimes on my part. The problem is that conservatives, who tend to identify good or evil with groups or countries, have yet to recognize the degree of evil that Israel has carried out. That is why I have said that leaders of both Israel and Hamas should be prosecuted.
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Tuesday, February, 10, 2009 10:49 AM Snow Knight writes:

My point is

Because of Islam they do not -or ever-will believe in equality no matter what they say to you caday5. All"infedels" must submit to "their "version of Islam or be illiminated. That is my piont that even now you do not see. That is the whole problem in the middle east - Israel wants to live in peace on their own land but because of the fear and hatred muslums have because of fanatical Islam there is the terror. There is busloads of innocent israelis that are blown up-there are mothers who strap bombs on childern to be blown up in a crowded Israeli marketplace-there is your targeting of civilians.
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Tuesday, February, 10, 2009 10:53 AM Snow Knight writes:

also...

You have not adressed Iran. Both Hamas and Hezbolla are funded and supplied by this sponsor of terror country.
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Tuesday, February, 10, 2009 3:00 PM caday5 writes:

Snow

Maybe you do not know many Muslims. It seems that you are overgeneralizing based on what those the religion say Muslims must believe.
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Tuesday, February, 10, 2009 3:03 PM caday5 writes:

Snow

BTW, everyone wants to live in peace. But Israel wants more land and the resources, like water, from the Palestinians. Sure Israel would prefer that Palestinians just let Israel take whatever it wants, but you can't say that peace is a priority unless you are willing to practice equality and justice. So far, neither the Israeli gov't nor some in Hamas want to do that.

What your point really is is that one side is evil and the other side is relatively good enough to give blanket support to. Ironically, the side you think is good is guilty of far more civilian deaths than the other side.
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Thursday, February, 12, 2009 9:31 AM Watch Dawg writes:

caday5

you answered his question but missed his point entirely. What Snow has said(several times ) is muslums do not believe in equality because of the teachings of Islam. I do not know about the ones you have experenxce with but I know what Islam teaches and I know what drives them.
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Thursday, February, 12, 2009 9:58 AM caday5 writes:

Watch Dawg

I addressed his point. His point was wrong. There are many Muslims who do believe in equality, at least more than some in the West do. In fact, if you look at historically, especially in light of the crusades, people of differing faiths experienced more freedom under Muslim rule than under rule from the crusaders.

And again, my personal experience with Muslims, including teachers, says that many believe in equality.
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Thursday, February, 12, 2009 12:21 PM Watch Dawg writes:

look up caday5

he says it clear on his comment "my point is"---he is right. I do believe if truth swam up to and bit you on the butt you still would nt see it.
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Thursday, February, 12, 2009 5:12 PM Snow Knight writes:

caday5

No, I am not overgeneralising---just stating facts. When the Koran outright says that muslums when in power to "clense the world of the infedels" what does that tell you? my point is based on their very on "holy words"
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Thursday, February, 12, 2009 5:13 PM Snow Knight writes:

also caday5

you have not yet adressed Iran. All of this terror in the Gaza strip and in Lebonon goes to the Islamic Mullah puppet masters in Iran.
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Thursday, February, 12, 2009 8:26 PM caday5 writes:

Snow

Do you want to talk about ethnic cleansing and the Old Testament?

Quote the verse as well as its location and reference the context.

BTW, since when has nonMuslim like you become an authoritative interpreter of the Koran?
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Thursday, February, 12, 2009 8:28 PM caday5 writes:

All the terror?

Really? Or is the motivation for the terror driven by the occupation--as well as weapons are smuggled thru Egypt from Iran?

To many Conservatives in this country are ignorant about Islam and too easily fall prey to hysteria paranoia
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Saturday, February, 14, 2009 9:15 AM Snow Knight writes:

anyone

caday5 can quote the koran for what it says--both non-muslium or muslum alike. BTW I said "all this terror" Iran wants the whole pie. Hamas is a claw-Hezbolla is a claw-and Iran is the whole scorpion.
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Saturday, February, 14, 2009 9:19 AM Snow Knight writes:

ignorant?

I am not the one who does not know the true goals of all muslums who are true to the teachings of Islam.
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