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Conservative Ramblings
Democracy or Republic; To Understand You Have to Study
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Friday, February, 29, 2008 4:54 PM
Me
writes:
You are correct sir!!!
This nation was set up to be a constitutional Republic.
Democracies are dangerous.democracies are basically mob rule.
democracies are based on absolutethe power of majority rule.
couple of things I would like clarified though . . if you would: OOPS TOO big. . I'll one at a time it.
You say,
" . . But to their dismay, the study of politics is still labeled as a science, and as such, politics and its terms can be specifically defined and clearly identified. Either the "supreme power is lodged in the hands of the people collectively" or it is not. Remember, politics is a science, not an art. If it's not pure, i.e. “representative” democracy, but rather kinda-sorta, isn't it then something else?
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this is a bit unclear to me, are you saying that politics is truly a science?
I do not agree, politics is no more "science" than is a the medical profession a "practice."
these are terms that are used to define these particular activities.
We correctly stated that the ***STUDY** of politics is called political science, but the daily actions of public servants and politicians are not.
We could have just as easily and named all classes at your local high school dealing with politics "political activity 101."
BIIG post, but good one
Cheers!!!
Gene Out
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Friday, February, 29, 2008 4:56 PM
Me
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2nd take
continuing my last point:
You further state that,
" . . . for delegated authority by nature is always delegated down. And, delegated power is never as extensive as it is in the original authority; naturally, delegating authority upwards is impossible . . . "
The again, I disagree .
Power begets power and has a tendency to feed off of and consume the genesis of itself.
See ancient Rome.
you had mentioned a perfect example, in ***NAZI Germany. *** in this example, the people voted in power, that power in turn gave itself more power, which in turn overwhelmed and consumed most of Western Europe. It was only through physical power did the delegated political power of NAZI Germany cease.
the American example was fairly unique, in its concept that once given power the state will stay subordinate to the Laws.
BIIG post, but good one
Cheers again !!!
Gene Out
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Saturday, March, 01, 2008 2:32 AM
sovereignslave
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You are correct sir!!!
If this is the most we can quibble about from my article than we are both doing pretty well!
First, I hope the primary goal of this part of my article came through to you- Via the Constitution, our individual, sovereign, democratic states came together under a federalist republican union, and that sphere of republicanism is where the people exist. Then, within that republican bubble popped up man-made institutional bubbles into which we pop from time to time either by hook or by crook.
Political Science is in fact a science; as such it differs from an art in that there is a clear theoretical description, open for analysis, and thereby predictable. If art were to be predictable it would not be art.
I could make a case that today's Party ranting is not Political Science but mere policy disputes.
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Saturday, March, 01, 2008 2:34 AM
sovereignslave
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You are correct sir!!!
There are schools of Political Science studies, and there are schools of Public Policy studies. The two are quite different.
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Saturday, March, 01, 2008 3:06 AM
sovereignslave
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2nd take
Another interesting point "ME," and this one is more significant. I am not a trained professor, and sometimes I forget what others don't know. Sovereignty comes at us in many forms since academia and secularists began breaking it down and eventually asking for its ouster in political theory. Bastiat had his enemies who laughed at his idea that Man received a portion of inalienable sovereignty from the Sovereign Creator. Jacques Maritain's "Man and the State" says "supreme authority of the state should in no way be called sovereignty." But there is a degree of sovereignty each institution possess; if not then one could not be distinguished from the other. Basic, or Natural Sovereignty (as opposed to Westphalian and others) exists only for those of us who believe in a Creator, such as those who drew up our Declaration and Constitution. Remember, relegated authority is not a form of sovereignty. Further, the flow of sovereignty is this: God, Man, Constitution, Government, public office (then serf); each passing denotes less purity. Relegated powers went up the democratic ladder ONLY because sovereignty flowed downward, first. I know, this is food for a book.
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Saturday, March, 01, 2008 3:27 AM
sovereignslave
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2nd take; folowup
Me, Don't confuse the degree of exercised power (i.e., Nazi Germany) with the properness of lawful, sovereign authority.
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