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Comment on: Speak Up America

Treason, Traitors and Far Left Liberals

70 Comments
Sunday, August, 03, 2008 4:42 PM caday5 writes:

beg to differ I

I don't know how much you know about the WWI and WWII time periods but they are vastly different. We unnecessarily entered a European war in WWI against the views of some prominent Americans. Helen Keller, for example, who with help made something of herself not only spoke strongly against WWI, she accurately predicted a part of WWII in 1916. Some dissenters were jailed back then which would not be allowed today because the Bill of Rights was more overlooked back then.

We had to enter WWII because we were attacked on one side and had war declared on us on the other. The country ran more efficiently than a dictatorship and we were fortunate to be a part of the victory.

But the problem with the wars after WWII, is that they were different. We were not attacked in any of the wars until 2001. And even in that attack, it wasn't every Arab or even terrorist who made us an enemy.

Because WWII was far different that Vietnam, the WWII approach worked against us in Vietnam. We lost that war because we lost the people of South Vietnam. Who says this? The former generals embedded as news analysts during the Iraq was say this quite openly.

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Sunday, August, 03, 2008 4:42 PM caday5 writes:

beg to differ II

Iraq is the same way. Most of the people have wanted us out since at least 2005 and even Maliki has been asking for a timetable since Nov of 2006 and we ignore it. We also ignore that despite the pop opinion of Iraqis and Iraq's parliament, we are insisting that our oil companies control much of the oil that comes out of Iraq. That is why exon, shell and alike are getting the help of the state dept to gain no-bid contracts with the Iraqi Oil Minister.

From what I see, those on the left, and this does not include most democrats, have a moral objection to the war. Those on the right liken the war to the wide world of sports where we need to work together to experience the thrill of victory and avoid the agony of defeat. If you wish to jail those who have moral objections to the war, you have to ask yourself what kind of free country do you believe in.
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Sunday, August, 03, 2008 5:18 PM davecatbone writes:

Bobbie, I'm not interested

in debating Liberals anymore. They must only be defeated. Lincoln won the Civil War while suspending Habeus Corpus and jailing traitors. The beloved FDR ran the country like a dictator in WWII, putting potential terrorists in internment camps and torturing the enemy when necessary. The Left defeated the US in Korea and Vietnam (even when the war was won in Vietnam). The leader of the North Vietnamese himself said he lost the war on the ground to the Americans, but won it politically in the US, thanks to the Democrats and the American Media. And Patriots have been fighting those two forces ever since. And those on the ground in Iraq, the ones actually there , not AP or other Enemedia reporters, they say we've won the war against the Al Queda insurgents. All else is wind down, mop up, messy local politics not unlike that seen in many other countries the Libs point to as examples of viable sovereignties. It IS time we have the national discussion about treason.
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Sunday, August, 03, 2008 5:22 PM KevInFl writes:

dave re Treason, traitors...Liberals

Once again dave ya nailed it! good analysis as usual
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Sunday, August, 03, 2008 5:34 PM KevInFl writes:

bobbie

Really good analysis! You are right, it just maybe time to take off the gloves and start hitting back hard. we allowed the wimps their way long nuff and they failed. Back to basics!!!
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Sunday, August, 03, 2008 5:36 PM glnflwrs writes:

bobbiekelly

You are exactly right when you say we have lost control. You are right on about your list of who is treasonous.

The only way we can take America back is to get rid of the people who are taking it from us. Vote out every single member of Congress and vote in new, non-experienced people who will do the right thing, not their thing.

No more re-elections of any senators or representitives. Any incumbents allowed to stay in office will reinfect the new congress.

Dems and Reps, never, ever again vote for an incumbent. It is our only hope. We must do this, NOW.

Great post.
Glenn Flowers

ps: the USA won EVERY battle in Vietnam. We lost every battle here at home.
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Sunday, August, 03, 2008 5:51 PM The Crawfish writes:

C5

First of all, you forget the first WTC attack and a few others, but I'll dismiss those for now. As for the Iraqis wanting us out, who is your source? The troops that I talk to on a regular basis say the people there are thankful to have our troops there helping them out and protecting them. They see the difference we've made over the past year. Our surge put backbone into the local leaders and the Iraqi police/military so the insurgents could be driven out.

Bobbie, good post.
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Sunday, August, 03, 2008 9:24 PM Bobbie writes:

Caday 5, Wow!

What I was saying and what you were hearing is not remotely connected. I am in no way suggesting that people with a moral objection to the war should be jailed and have no idea how you arrived at that conclusion. Maybe a handful of people objected to wwI & II, but we didn't have this constant flood of American citizens spewing abject hatred for the USA. My mom, aunts and neighbors went to work at war plants during WWII making amunition. I won't go over all our war history as you did; neither will I back off my staement that there are
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Sunday, August, 03, 2008 9:29 PM Bobbie writes:

Caday 5 continued

scores of people living here who do not deserve the freedoms and opportunities the USA provides for them when they clearly hate our country, aid and abet the enemy with their rants against us, promote immorality, ignore the wishes of the majority, wage war against God, and do their best to recreate the best country on the planet. Those are the people I'm speaking of. Not ordinary conscientious objectors. thanks for your comments.
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Sunday, August, 03, 2008 9:47 PM Bobbie writes:

Dave,Kevin, Glenn & Crawfish

Thanks for your comments and insight. I appreciate your input; it's good to know that there are those of us out there who don't have our heads in a dark place and are willing to confront the truth.

Thanks for stopping by. God Bless!
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Sunday, August, 03, 2008 9:49 PM caday5 writes:

crawfish I

First how are things. I hope they are well.

Second, what one CNN reporter experienced with the people out there is what the people say in the presence of our troops is sometimes different from what people say when they are not there. But the polls I have seen, starting the British Ministry of Defense Poll in 2005, show that a large majority of Iraqis want us out--though not all want us out immediately. A solution here, since we are interested in democracy is to put it up as a referendum.

Third, our surge has played a minor role in the "improvement" in the safety over there. First, we have armed and financed militias and once we did that with the Sunnis, we had more cooperation against Al-Qaeda. As for the Shia, Al-Sadr (not sure of the spelling) has directed his forces to only attack American troops. And attacking American troops, btw, from the last polls I have seen, still has the backing of the majority of Iraqis though that might have changed since I last saw the polls.

Second, what has helped reduce the number of attacks is that the number of people to be attacked is significantly less. Approximately 4.7 Million Iraqis have been displaced with roughly 1/2 leaving the country. Many of the neighborhoods have been ethnically cleansed to a degree and other neighborhoods have been walled off. In addition, up to 1.3 million Iraqis have died because of the invasion. The last peer review study, released in Oct 06 I believe, listed the number at 655,000 (Between 392,000 to 990,000) using the same survey techniques that have been used elsewhere such as for Dafur. It is not unreasonable to approximate the number killed to be over 1 million though it is possible that the number is below that.

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Sunday, August, 03, 2008 9:50 PM caday5 writes:

crawfish II

Also we can note that we have increased air to surface attacks during that time period. The counterinsurgency program implemented by Pratreus has several parts which includes the "surge." But the surge is not the only part let alone not responsible for most of the decline in violence.

And btw, I never forget 9-11 since a former office-mate of the wife was one of the victims. I met this person and he was a good guy. It is personal for me. But 9-11 was a response to American policies not a first strike. It is a response to US policies that have killed many Arabs whose deaths and suffering are personal to others.
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Sunday, August, 03, 2008 9:54 PM caday5 writes:

Bobbie

I very much appreciate your response. There are different reasons why people object to the war. The farther left one is, the more likely the objection is based on morals. The more liberal (democratic liberal that is) one is the more the objections are business oriented such as the war is an inefficient use of our resources and that the war is ineffective in our fight against those radical Jihadists who have made themselves our enemies.

In fact, many on the left, are either criticizing Obama or supporting other candidates because his objections to the War on Iraq are business based. If you check the following post on my website, you will see a little more detail about this as well as other criticisms of Obama

http://extrememoderate.blogtownhall.com/2008/08/01/will_cha nge_be_in_the_air_this_january.thtml
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Sunday, August, 03, 2008 9:56 PM skep41 writes:

A Clash Of Worlds

Christianity believes in individual responsibility the Left doesnt. They're not atheists in the true sense; they have a belief system, its just WRONG!
Bashir Assad is not our friend! They think that they're 'Citizens Of The World' and that a little creative socialism will make everything just fine for everybody. Insted of a soul you get free medical care and food stamps. America is just a worn-out concept. Moses led his people away from their false idols. This political phase can't last. It's near bankruptcy now and I think the Dems are starting to falter.
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Sunday, August, 03, 2008 10:18 PM Bobbie writes:

Skep, I certainly

hope you're right about the dems facing impending banckruptsy and faltering. We can always hope.

thanks for your comments.
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Monday, August, 04, 2008 1:52 AM caday5 writes:

skep41

Actu, bally Jesus preached both individual and other responsibilities. For example, Jesus gave a stern warning about those made other fall into sin. In Ephesians, Those who were assisted in falling in sin were to be judged but so were their stumbling blocks. In addition, in Ephesians, Paul warns fathers not to be harsh on their children. In I Corinthians, he warns the married not to deny their partners sex.

In addition, Jesus condemns those who do not help those in need as does Isaiah 58 and 59.

There is no doubt that we are individually responsible for our actions but it would be wrong, both Biblically and otherwise, to reduce the responsibility for sin solely to the individual.
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Monday, August, 04, 2008 6:50 AM Sgt Relic writes:

Bobbie

Don't hold back, tell us how you really feel. LOL! Good rant!!

It is just part of our long slide into socialism. The progressive movement has been at it since the Wilson administration and now comes pay day. Useful idiots abound and celebrate the prospect of a true Marxist coming to the ultimate seat of power.

What comes next? That's easy. Just look up "Soviet Union, success of". It's what follows that bankrupt ideology that we need to think about.

The left is going to have it's day. It predictably will fail as all other socialist governments fail. Need I remind anyone that we are now -$9 trillion in the ole' checkbook?

The question is will whatever replaces socialism be a return to freedom or the benevolent guidance of a "strong man" government.

Only time will tell.
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Monday, August, 04, 2008 7:54 AM caday5 writes:

American Socialists

A list of American Socialists includes

1. Helen Keller
2. Martin Luther King Jr
3. Woodie Guthrie
4. Albert Einstein
5. Hugh Pentecost (preacher)
6. Carl Sandburg
7. Michael Yates (economist)
8. George Marshall (The Post WWII Marshall Plan)
9. Jack London
10. Will Durant
11. Stephen Jay Gould
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Monday, August, 04, 2008 10:56 AM The Crawfish writes:

sorry

but the numbers of attacks have gone way down since the Surge.

As for the Iraqis wanting the Brits out, well that goes back to before and during WW2. Lots of hard feelings there, and quite a bit is well deserved.
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Monday, August, 04, 2008 11:18 AM caday5 writes:

re sorry

but more than the surge occurred. So if you want, you can assume the surge but then you have to ignore what other methods and procedures were employed. Certainly one can do that and it does feed the national ego, but it is misleading.
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Monday, August, 04, 2008 12:14 PM Bobbie writes:

Even as we speak,

Odummer is in Michigan spewing his pretty sounding crap and the audience is beside itself applauding, yelling and wetting their pants over him. Some-times I don't know which aggravates me more: Obama's unending lies or his follower's fathomless ignorance.

Sarge, thanks for encouraging me to speak up & speak authentically. I'm working towards it. :-) Thanks for stopping by.
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Monday, August, 04, 2008 12:17 PM Conservabear writes:

Bobbie, True That.

I love your post. Your courageous honesty speaks volumns of the commitment you demonstrate daily for the preservation and renewal of our beloved United States of America and The Constitution the Democrat Congress and those others in our government who seek to undermine our lives and sovereignty HAVE WILLINGLY FORGOTTEN.

Yes, Bobbie these MORONS, IDIOTS and FOOLS are traitors I say, traitors to the American People. They have betrayed us in every manner. They cavort with the devil by slowly infusing our country with socialism and Marxist tinged legislation. They slowly allow our schools to foster radical Islamic teachings and ideas while denying and PUNNINSHING any mention of God, Creationism, or Judeo-Christian Ethics, Values and Morals. They undermine our Economy by driving away American businesses but they go to great lengths to trade with the likes of CHINA (the biggest offender of human rights) and Mexico (who's farming techniques are questionable) these and other nations who would not know product safety or quality control if it feel on them. Don't get me started.

In short oh you, slimy politicians if you SLEEP with SATAN you get your BUTT BURNED and don't expect us to minister to your burns while extinguishing the fires you have started. Thank You
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Monday, August, 04, 2008 12:21 PM Bobbie writes:

Caday 5, you're way off.

when people create stumbling blocks for others, they are responsible for the ST.Block. The 2nd person who chooses to stumble over the block, is solely responsible his own stumbling. Blaming society is an old liberal tactic. Sorry bud...........it doesn't hold water to blame others for our own weaknesses.
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Monday, August, 04, 2008 12:28 PM Bobbie writes:

Thank you bear.

I am sure to get a swelled head due to your copious good words. Better go get myself a neck brace.

Thanks again for the compliments and encouragement.
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Monday, August, 04, 2008 1:23 PM Conservabear writes:

Bobbie

Have you checked out Gunny G Blog "atriots Revolt"? I Went to link and just signed-up and of course sent a comment along with it.
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Monday, August, 04, 2008 3:46 PM caday5 writes:

Bobbie

What the Bible says is that more than one is responsible. I have already listed the scriptures that show that more than one is responsible. Your argument is with those scriptures.
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Monday, August, 04, 2008 3:47 PM caday5 writes:

Conservabear

Then are you saying that each of the people I listed as socialists are traitors?
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Monday, August, 04, 2008 4:30 PM Bobbie writes:

Bear,

I'll check it out. thanks.
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Monday, August, 04, 2008 4:38 PM Conservabear writes:

Caday5, Fried Socialism Platter for One

Ah, so you are a Socialist, perhaps a little Marxism ala carte served up with a dollop of Red China.

Let me make it clear to you I DON'T WANT MARXISTS IN MY GOVERNMENT nor do I want my rights infringed, my CONSTITUTION DEFILED, My economy undermined, my country security comprimised and yes if one seeks to do these things and have already done them and happen to be a Socialist then one, my friend is a traitor. Also, No one is saying All Muslims are evil just those that want to erradicate Israel kill and torture us infidels etc. Then my friend, Radical Extremist Islamics deserve what they get.
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Monday, August, 04, 2008 4:51 PM crossbow writes:

Bear,Bobbie,dave,kevin and crawfish.

Ditto.
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Monday, August, 04, 2008 5:16 PM caday5 writes:

Also Conservabear

a former state official where my daughter goes to school said the following regarding the founding of the state and religion:

"Where the preamble declared, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of their religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting "Jesus Christ," so that it would read "A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;" the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination"

and

" Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law"

Is this person a traitor?
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Monday, August, 04, 2008 6:00 PM Conservabear writes:

I Have No Problem

with protecting anyones right to worship but when you seek to kill me well then the line gets drawn, cross it and expect I will fight back.
Screw with my country and you will get a fight.
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Monday, August, 04, 2008 6:58 PM caday5 writes:

Conservabear

Very good because the quotes come from Thomas Jefferson.

But for the sake of fairness, should we also want pro-Israeli supporters who want to ethnically cleanse the land of Arabs?

for the sake of fairness, if you are really for a strong economy then socialists should be the least of your worries right now. The Keynesian economics, use military spending to stimulate the economy, is leading this country to bankruptcy. That and a predatory capitalism that has move most manufacturing jobs outside of the country so that we are dependent on imports for many of our basic needs.
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Monday, August, 04, 2008 7:31 PM Bobbie writes:

Many Thanks

Bear & Crossbow. Appreciate your comments. thanks for stopping by.
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Monday, August, 04, 2008 9:38 PM Conservabear writes:

caday5 Again with the Lawrence of Arabia

Your head must really explode for want of all this knowledge you carry around.

Pro Israeli Ethnic Cleansing of Arabs? I DON"T BUY IT. Where do you get this stuff?

How about dictators than hmmmm lets see does San Fran Nan count.
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Monday, August, 04, 2008 9:44 PM caday5 writes:

Conservabear

From both history and the news. In fact, some early Zionists, from common settlers to significant people like Theodore Herzl wrote of it thought they were careful to be discrete.

And considering that Israel continues to take land from Palestinians, bulldozing their houses and livelihood and moving them off the land. You can read this information by reading the writings of Israelis.

BTW, my head is in no danger of exploding but thank you.
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Monday, August, 04, 2008 11:27 PM Sue writes:

Hollywood

It is getting so old that when any of these Hollywood people say something against President Bush, we all have to stop and think, "Wow - they are great."
Who are they and why do we care what they have to say? I don't. I live in CA and they used to have a lot of it on the news. These people have no clue about anything except being over paid for the job that they do.
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Tuesday, August, 05, 2008 8:00 AM Bobbie writes:

Sue, talk about being overpaid,

Watcha think about 14Mil for pictures of Ang & Brad's out of wedlock twins?Mind boggling stupidity, this worship of so called "stars". I won't say anything else lest it turns out to be a whole new post.

I have several conservative friends who live in California. Congratulations, Sue, for keeping your head on straight living amongst all those libs. You must share the frustration of my friends who live out there. Thanks for your comments.
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Tuesday, August, 05, 2008 8:04 AM Bobbie writes:

Caday5, What's your problem?

Having an irritable bowel day? Poor baby.
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Tuesday, August, 05, 2008 8:22 AM caday5 writes:

Bobbie

I have noticed that many conservatives either claim or assume a position of personal or moral superiority but their tendency to speak down or insult those who disagree sheds doubt on their position.
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Tuesday, August, 05, 2008 9:50 AM Bobbie writes:

The Pot Calls the Kettle Black

Caday 5, you have corrected every blogger that has appeared on this site a well as others. You veer way off the original subject, speak down to others and "preach" unendingly. And you're accusing me of claiming personal/moralsuperiority? You are clearly trying to demonstrate intellectual superiority; give it up; it ain't workin'.
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Tuesday, August, 05, 2008 9:57 AM caday5 writes:

Bobbie

Please provide the quotes that "speak down" to others.
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Tuesday, August, 05, 2008 11:06 AM Bobbie writes:

Whatever, Caday

I'm not going to suffer through your diatribes again. I'm done with you. Go get a life.
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Tuesday, August, 05, 2008 11:22 AM davecatbone writes:

Now you get it Bobby

You can't reason with an idiot.
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Tuesday, August, 05, 2008 11:39 AM caday5 writes:

Boobie

You made an accusation and I invited you to prove it. You decided to not try.

On a previous point regarding whether or not we are responsible for the sins of others:

Luke 17:1-2

And He said to His disciples, "It is inevitable that stumbling blocks should come, but woe to him through whom they come! It would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck and he were thrown into the sea than that he should cause one of these little ones to stumble."
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Tuesday, August, 05, 2008 12:35 PM Bobbie writes:

I agree Dave,

but sometimes I just enjoy the shadow-boxing for a little while. It's kinda amusing watching them get their panties in a wad and making fools of themseves. Thanks for stopping by and thanks for your comments. I always enjoy & appreciate your take on things.

Have a good day.
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Tuesday, August, 05, 2008 12:44 PM crossbow writes:

Right on bear and dave.

well put and timely.
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Tuesday, August, 05, 2008 3:46 PM crossbow writes:

bobbie and kevin

hang in there! keep on standing firm!
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Tuesday, August, 05, 2008 7:48 PM caday5 writes:

bobbie

I just noticed that I misspelled your name in my last note. My apologies. It was not my intention
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Wednesday, August, 06, 2008 2:42 AM Bobbie writes:

Caday5

No Problem. Thanks.
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Wednesday, August, 06, 2008 5:22 PM Garnet92 writes:

Bobbie, don't know how I missed this

Bobbie, that was a 5-star post. It likely summed up in a clear, intelligent presentation, how many of us feel regarding a number of issues, including, but not limited to: traitors, boy scouts, ACLU, most leftward dems, etc. One of the problems we deal with is the politically correct "scrubbing" of the language. The term "unpatriotic," isn't supposed to be applied anymore since the left has redefined "Patriotism" to include being against the administration/country/military and what it's doing but (somehow) still be "for the troops." I'll stop before I get off on a rant but also suggest that you devote more time to posts like this one and less responding to the posts of the "ah-ha" posters whose place in life is to google every subject with the intent of overwhelming a post with minutiae and "gotcha" moments. IMO, not worth the effort. But again, a really good post, where do I sign up?
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Wednesday, August, 06, 2008 6:32 PM Bobbie writes:

Thank you very much, Garnet 92

I appreciate the compliments, encouragement and reminder that some comments don't deserve a lot of time or effort to respond to. I agree, but sometimes I just can't help sparring with them.

Thanks again for dropping by.
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Wednesday, August, 06, 2008 10:14 PM caday5 writes:

Sugary Sweet

That was a very good note. But I would add this, it is not the time for either side to call the other side "traitors" while debating with each other and while considering different viewpoints. To do so simply stifles views. There is a time to listen to all views so that we can pick and choose the valid concerns each side has.

I agree that both Conservatives and Liberals can unwittingly work towards tyranny/fascism but it is also possible to have both sides work for an accountable nation. For conservatives, they must recognize that the certain parts of the private sector must be accountable through intelligent regulations. For liberals, they must realize that gov't must be accountable. For Bush, he must recognize that both must be accountable.

Accountability is what is most urgently needed right now. I do not think that either McCain or Obama are going to lead the nation to meet that need.
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Thursday, August, 07, 2008 7:05 AM Bobbie writes:

Caday5 & Sugary Sweet,

Blah Blah Blah.
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Thursday, August, 07, 2008 7:14 AM caday5 writes:

Bobbie

Sugary Sweet wrote an excellent note with thought. Are you saying that you do not want notes with thought here?
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Thursday, August, 07, 2008 11:17 AM caday5 writes:

Sugary Sweet

Whether the gov't is accountable depends on the degree of independence that exists between the Justice Department and the other two branches. It worked to a better degree in the 70s when there was a decent bipartisan effort to look at Nixon.

Of course when our gov't officials show they are motivationally impaired at implementing accountability, then it is up to the citizens to speak up at times other than elections. If the only time we exercise democracy is when we vote, we have what Vandana Shiva calls a shallow democracy or what I call a lazy democracy. Our biggest obstacle here isn't the persecution of authoritiphiles but is the apathy of the public. In that case, we get what we deserve.

Regarding specifics and Bush, the ability of Bush and the Republicans to isolate the horrific 9-11 attacks from their greater context enabled Bush to get public approval for his "War On Terror" must be countered. His Military ambitions are stretching American empire beyond its means. This is why we see more signs of national bankruptcy.

Bush's problem is not that he wanted to fight terror but that the only thing he wanted to do was to fight terror. He did not want to consider other factors that limit his powers and authority. Thus benchmarks that Chalmers Johnson has noted regarding empires such as permanent war, bankruptcy, weakening of Constitutional rights and an increased systematic effort to spread disinformation have become more observable.
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Friday, August, 08, 2008 9:42 AM davecatbone writes:

national bankruptcy.

how much of our government spending goes to Democrat enacted entitlement programs?
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Friday, August, 08, 2008 11:08 AM caday5 writes:

dave

I don't know, how much. I do know we are paying $200 Billion a year in payments for past loans regarding defense. And let me know which entitlements you think are unnecessary
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Saturday, August, 09, 2008 8:38 AM caday5 writes:

SUgary Sweet

Thank you, that was very kind. The question I have for you is why don't you have your own blog here?
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Monday, August, 11, 2008 11:33 AM davecatbone writes:

Bobbie, about entitlement programs

As Bob Barr says, "Medicaid, Medicare, and Social Security are unsustainable at their current spending rates. With the latter two programs alone facing estimated total unfunded liabilities topping $100 trillion, the government will eventually face the choice of raising taxes by as much as 50 percent or defaulting on promised benefits, if we do not begin taking action right now." By action, he does not mean launching a new huge spending program like the Liberal Progressive Democrats and Barack Obama would do.
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Monday, August, 11, 2008 2:38 PM Bobbie writes:

Like 285 billion

for United Nations hunger, health care for everybody including illegals, homes for the homeless, Cap & trade and God knows what else that Obama may dream up to win votes; you mean we'd have to pay more taxes to pay for all of this. Why Dave....... Obama says he can do all this and LOWER taxes. Oh ye of little faith.

Thanks for dropping by. I'll visit your place in a little bit.
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Tuesday, August, 12, 2008 5:29 AM caday5 writes:

Dave and Bobbie

Perhaps if we put more money into helping people and less into the military, our economy, and the country, would do better. As it stands now, spending approximately 1.1 trillion a year in ways that has only increased terrorist recruits and renewed an arms race with Russia and China does not seem to be an efficient use of resources
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Wednesday, August, 13, 2008 4:46 PM davecatbone writes:

had enough yet, bobbie?

can you see why I'm done trying to engage Leftists? No matter how many times we illustrate the point that the government has never done a good job "helping people", either through social security, Johnson's debacle of social programs, even FEMA...that government only succeeds when it facilitates business and runs an armed forces that break things and kill people to protect us...that people, not government are the best social programs through religious organizations and always have been....that the basic tenet of Income Redistribution, the foundation of the Democratic party, is legalized plunder and marxist, they just DON'T WANT to hear it. So let's just defeat them.
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Wednesday, August, 13, 2008 7:24 PM Bobbie writes:

I agree, Dave

I'm not deluded where libs are concerned. I know that "reason" doesn't work with them; that they're highly allergic to facts. Thanks for reminding me and thanks for dropping by.
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Thursday, August, 14, 2008 9:22 AM caday5 writes:

Dave

I agree that the gov't has been very efficient in funding business that kill people and break things. But whether those activities have protected us is another matter. Remember that of the 3 cited reasons for the 9-11 attack, 2 are responses to us buying things to kill people. We killed an uncountable number of people in Vietnam, lost the war, and were in no greater danger. We assisted in the killing people in the overthrow of Chile's gov't and were not safer. I could list more if you want.

Now if you have no moral concerns when we kill people, that is your business. But just for survival's sake, it was Bertrand Russell and Albert Einstein who said we have an "inescapable" between war and survival. President Eisenhower expressed similar sentiments in the 60s and Gen MacArthur said war was obsolete in terms of solving our problems.

We should also remember how God treated his enemies; He sent his son to die for us. And it was God who said "love not the world" meaning the "lust of the eyes," "the lust of the flesh" and "the pride of life." But what do American Christians cheer on? The us of our troops to protect "our way of life" --meaning luxurious lifestyles that are often at the expense of the poor.

So those who do not live on gov't assistance can make any assessment they want. Just please open your eyes to the costs of our actions--both moral costs and how it threatens our survival.
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Sunday, August, 17, 2008 11:56 AM Darvin Dowdy writes:

Bobbie...

...when was it that we stopped enforcing the treason/sedition laws? But what you're describing here is the democrat party. Or what it has become. Which is why I believe a new 2nd party should be formed.
Stop by. I have a new post guaranteed to stir the pot a little. I've actually taken the unpopular stance of supporting the ethanol program. DD
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Tuesday, August, 19, 2008 2:29 PM SquiddyPopPerkyJean writes:

Strong, but TRUE!

There's no such thing as treason these days, it all hides under freedom of expression, etc. But it is very dangerous!
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Friday, August, 22, 2008 6:06 PM Conservabear writes:

Bobbie

Yo Mom's Where you been hiddin'? Stopped by to say hello and/or annoy you whatever's convenient. Think of me as Mrs. Kravitz your crazy LIBERAL next door neighbor.
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Saturday, August, 23, 2008 8:26 AM Bobbie writes:

Ms. Kravitz, dear

Had a lot going on. Last remaining aunt passed away last week. Meanwhile her daughter was placed on hospice care. Other time consuming stuff. Also looking into job I might want teaching Medication Administration to foster parents over a 5 county area. I'm like a cat on a hot tin roof not working; also having a hard time getting my mind around not earning an income. May drop out of blogging; feel like I'm preaching to the choir and not actuallu accomplishing much.

Thanks for dropping by.
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Thursday, September, 04, 2008 3:12 PM crossbow writes:

Bobbie

The far left libs will always have their excuses for their falures. Then conservatives will say "see, I told you so"!!!I just posted on the VP choice-come by and read!
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