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Comment on: ANTI-LIBERAL ZONE

Great Liberal Tools in History

70 Comments
Friday, May, 09, 2008 6:17 AM glnflwrs writes:

Once again,

Anything I can offer, except praise and encouragement, would be superfluous.

A long life of blogging to you, sir.

Glenn Flowers
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Friday, May, 09, 2008 7:37 AM KenUSA writes:

Ditto

Every time I hear a well researched litany like that I am reminded of the beautiful, solemn pageantry of Ronald Reagan's State Funeral. I can't imagine how I will feel when the media attempts to counterfeit the love America had for Ronny, with a ceremony to "honor" these fools.

God Bless America
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Friday, May, 09, 2008 8:14 AM The Crawfish writes:

Where would we be without them?

Let's see....Eastern Europe would have flourished in the 50s and forward. Central and South America would be peaceful and productive (probably to the point of making Mexico the worst economy, besides Cuber and Haiti, in the western hemisphere). The Mid East would be a bit more stable, with radical Islam (but I repeat myself) kept under the thumbs of powerful leaders. The USA would be an energy EXPORTER.
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Friday, May, 09, 2008 8:16 AM The Crawfish writes:

Ken

Just imagine how the media is going to slobber all over themselves when that embarrassment to the Navy finally croaks. The coverage leading up to his funeral will be more glowing than that for any Pope or President in history!
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Friday, May, 09, 2008 8:32 AM drillbit writes:

Man O Man

Everytime I think that whining ,sniveling little coward (Jimmy) has finally disappeared he pops back up doing something Ignorant.
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Friday, May, 09, 2008 8:48 AM USA Eagle writes:

Gunny

I don’t expect you’ll get any arguments over giving Jimmi the Dhimmi top prize.You covered all the other tools quite nicely too.

I see now the Goreacle has blamed the disaster in Myanmar on…you guessed it…globull warming.I think this dolt actually believes the tripe he pedals.

Scary thing is,should Barry get the nod in November,he has the potential,and plenty of time,to far surpass Jimmi the Dhimmi .
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Friday, May, 09, 2008 8:59 AM YLG writes:

GunnyG

Great column!

I beg to differ on two points, though:

Jimmy Carter DID kiss Nasser Shaer, but since it was on the posterior region, it wasn't captured on film. Too many questions would have been raised.

If you were Bill Clinton, and had a choice between Hillary Rodham, and Monica Lewinsky, who would YOU choose????

;-)
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Friday, May, 09, 2008 9:03 AM YLG writes:

GunnyG

Another point about your article is, unlike Nazism, Communism has been legitimized by the left. The left can never associate itself with Nazism, since it condoned genocide, but it can embrace Communism, because it is an equal opportunity killer.

All in the name of tolerance and diversity!
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Friday, May, 09, 2008 9:53 AM nanna writes:

Right on Gunny

He is such an embarrassment to this country.

And what is going on now with our government, and our presidential candidates (all 3) is downright frightening. Creeping liberalism.
Seems the more we fight it, the more it grows.

Our government is so full of them, our colleges, and schools are eaten up with it.
My gosh, "Code Pink" is now calling for people to come to the recruting offices, and use witchcraft to cast spells on the recruters.
Everyone better start doing a heap of praying.
You know "Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition"!!
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Friday, May, 09, 2008 10:10 AM clyde writes:

Gunny

And thus the problem is summed up. When these so-called "leaders" are using their feelings,instead of THINKING,this is what we end up with.Azshats anyway. Good essay,spot-f-ing on. Interesting comment by KenUSA about how the media will handle Carter's not-soon-enough funeral. You can bet they'll be pizsing on themselves to see who can be the most blatant azs-kisser. Probably even drag Brokaw,and Blather out of mothballs,and try to resurrect Jennings as well.
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Friday, May, 09, 2008 10:37 AM anti-socialist writes:

Liberal...

Only difference 'tween the Communists & Nazis was that Russia stole more wealth and murdered more civilians than did Germany (though both were left-wing extremists). Those, with Russia having a lead over Germany in theft & murders, radicals refered to left-wings as Communists (rather than Nazis).
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Friday, May, 09, 2008 10:57 AM Gray Ghost writes:

Crawfish Nailed It!

"Just imagine how the media is going to slobber all over themselves when that embarrassment to the Navy finally croaks. The coverage leading up to his funeral will be more glowing than that for any Pope or President in history!"

I know Crawfish, but Rabbits everywhere will be free! ("Free at last! Free at last! Thank God we're free at last!")

I have a mental picture of thousands of Bugs Bunny-type cartoon rabbits singing at the funeral.
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Friday, May, 09, 2008 11:51 AM Lolo1 writes:

I noticed

no libdolts have commented here.

Pretty hard to refute this blog!

Hats off to Gunny!
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Friday, May, 09, 2008 12:35 PM The Crawfish writes:

Code Pink Witches

Methinks they misunderstood what we were calling them. We called them useless ugly w-e-n-c-h-e-s!!!
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Friday, May, 09, 2008 12:35 PM The Crawfish writes:

Rabbits???

Okay, Ghost...ya lost me on that one.
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Friday, May, 09, 2008 1:49 PM Apollyon67 writes:

Has anyone

ever done follow up on all the "Habitat for Humanity" houses they have built throughout the years? I would love to see the percentages on the number still standing or habitable.
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Friday, May, 09, 2008 2:19 PM Gray Ghost writes:

Crawfish?????

Don't you remember Jimmy Carter and the "Killer" rabbit?

You know, the one that attacked him.

Even the rabbits don't like Jimmy.

Mental Picture: Jimmy Carter and Bugs; Gunny is holding a shotgun, "Wabbit Season!" "Carter Season!"........
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Friday, May, 09, 2008 2:33 PM The Crawfish writes:

I had forgotten about that

and here's the story:
http://www.narsil.org/politics/carter/killer_rabbit.html
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Friday, May, 09, 2008 6:28 PM Gunny "knuckles" G© writes:

glnflwrs

Thanks amigo. I got on a roll and the fur was flying! WELL worth being tired at work!
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Friday, May, 09, 2008 6:29 PM Gunny "knuckles" G© writes:

KenUSA

THANK YOU for the highest praie I've ever recv'd short of Doc likening me to Buckley!
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Friday, May, 09, 2008 6:30 PM Gunny "knuckles" G© writes:

The Crawfish

You are CORRECT my brother. Can you IMAGINE a world without liberalism in it?

I sure as H*LL can.
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Friday, May, 09, 2008 6:31 PM Gunny "knuckles" G© writes:

Ken

I read somewhere that the instructions for carter's funeral are over 700 pages long. I coud have done it in a few sentences.

1. Load corpse on plane.

2. Jettison over Cuba.

3. Celebrate.
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Friday, May, 09, 2008 6:32 PM Gunny "knuckles" G© writes:

drillbit

The bright side is, is that the Grim Reaper gets closer to him every day!
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Friday, May, 09, 2008 6:33 PM Gunny "knuckles" G© writes:

YLG

Is there another option? YEECH!
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Friday, May, 09, 2008 6:34 PM Gunny "knuckles" G© writes:

USA Eagle

Hmmm, nice point. Obambi will give me plenty of fodder for DECADES to come! haha
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Friday, May, 09, 2008 6:34 PM Gunny "knuckles" G© writes:

USA Eagle

Meant to add, "when I take over for El Rushbo when he retires!"
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Friday, May, 09, 2008 6:35 PM Gunny "knuckles" G© writes:

Nanna

Great post. We were howling at work listening to El Rushbo flay the code pink morns over this.
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Friday, May, 09, 2008 6:36 PM Gunny "knuckles" G© writes:

clyde

HAHA. Raise Peter Lemmings from the dead....
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Friday, May, 09, 2008 6:38 PM Dogged writes:

Gunny

You would think that at some point the libs would wake up and smell the coffee. After carter helped the mullahs take over Iran they payed him back by taking over our embassy and imprisoning our ambassadors. Making him a laughing stock, and he still doesn't get it.
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Friday, May, 09, 2008 6:41 PM Dogged writes:

Gunny

You would think that at some point the libs would wake up and smell the coffee. After carter helped the mullahs take over Iran they payed him back by taking over our embassy and imprisoning our ambassadors. Making him a laughing stock, and he still doesn't get it.
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Friday, May, 09, 2008 6:43 PM Gunny "knuckles" G© writes:

Lolo1

Thank you and I had to laugh when I reviewed all of the comments and saw...NO LIB COMMENTS!

When the going gets tough, the libs flee...
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Friday, May, 09, 2008 6:44 PM Gunny "knuckles" G© writes:

Apollyon67

GOOD IDEA!

I have heard that they fall apart in a few years and are soon uninhabitable. But then again, for the libs, it's the THOUGHT that counts.
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Friday, May, 09, 2008 6:51 PM KenUSA writes:

Ronny's Boyhood Home

I rode my global warming inducing, spotted owl scaring, green house gas emitting, twin cylinder, fire breathing, castrati annoying electra glide out to Dixon, Il. to visit Ron's boyhood home on the weekend of the funeral. I wept actually wept all the way there. I had just pulled myself together and got in line (a long one) to tour the house. Somebody in line started wailing and pretty soon there wasn't a dry eye in the house.

Human Greatness isn't made, It's Revealed
Long Live the King
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Friday, May, 09, 2008 6:56 PM KenUSA writes:

PS

To the left, this is the land of opportunity.

Wellstone's funeral was an opportunity to display liberal lunacy.

They refuse to accept that when you die, St. Peter has a few questions for you.
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Saturday, May, 10, 2008 8:06 AM caday5 writes:

Gunny

If what you said is true, that:

"All in all, liberalism IS the ideology of failure, pain, and suffering."

then conservatism is the ideology of oppression, blowback and suffering. It's conservatives who complain that Carter didn't back the oppressive regime of the Shah in Iran. It's conservatives who say that we should of replaced Somoza rather than let the Nicarguans choose for themselves.

It's conservatives who backed over 50 coups or attempts since WWII and then claim that they hate us because of our freedoms. If you focus solely on our assumed freedom to choose the leaders of countries too weak to stand up to us, then you are correct.

I know what impresses you Gunny. It is mere venting against liberals where you revel not in logic but in insult. I'm waiting for you to produce a note with substance.
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Saturday, May, 10, 2008 10:59 AM Buck writes:

Dogged, Gunny

Jimmah's folicle up in Iran just illuminates what our path should be in Iraq. Forget all this democracy crap. Those people aren't ready for it. They think because they got their thumb purple they automatically get democracy. Nah. Time we secure the area in our own best interests. Go back to the '20's for lessons in that. We just pick out the meanest, baddest arab we can find and put him in power. As we leave we give him a picture of the Saddam neck stretching to remind him ...who his friends are.
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Saturday, May, 10, 2008 12:34 PM caday5 writes:

Buck

I will have to respectfully disagree with you regarding Iraq. It isn't the Iraqi people who are ready for democracy in Iraq, it is the American gov't. What the American gov't wants is a compliant and complicit partner in Baghdad. This is why elections were originally delayed until the US was forced into allowing them. This is why the US used military writers to write articles in Iraqi papers while posing as journalists. This is why the US gov't financially backed the campaigns of candidates they wanted elected. This is why the US has tried to force the Iraqi Parliament into passing legislation that would privatize Iraqi oil opening up that oil to foreign companies despite the fact that the majority of Iraqis oppose the privatization. And when the Iraqi Parliament refused, the US had the Iraqi oil minister impose the measure. This why our gov't has no intention of leaving Iraq, regardless of who the next president is, despite the fact that the majority of Iraqis oppose the permanent presence of US troops.

You are correct in saying that voting does not imply you have a democracy. Our problem is that the Iraqi people are more ready for democracy than the American gov't is.
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Saturday, May, 10, 2008 3:22 PM Steve writes:

Dear GunnyG

At least Neville Chamberlain wised up in the end. Of course, when your erstwhile "friends'" bombs are falling on your head in your own capital city, there's not much "wiggle room". I can't help but wonder if, under like circumstances, our own pacifist loons would renounce their past doings? Oh, wait. It DID happen, didn't it?! The bombs, I mean!! Damn, those Demos really know how to wiggle, don't they?
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Saturday, May, 10, 2008 9:27 PM Gunny "knuckles" G© writes:

KenUSA

Agreed. The wife and I were tore up when The Great One passed on.
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Saturday, May, 10, 2008 9:28 PM Gunny "knuckles" G© writes:

Buck

INDEED! The plus to that is that the libturds would FREAK OUT over that! haha
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Saturday, May, 10, 2008 9:31 PM Gunny "knuckles" G© writes:

Steve

LOL! Yeah, no doubt Chamberlain did. Unfortunately, America's pacifists are more than willing to bend over for any dictator or tyrant that tells them they'll be left "alone." At least for awhile.

But then again, that's the left for ya. As long as they have THEIR'S, the Devil take the hindmost.
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Saturday, May, 10, 2008 11:58 PM KenUSA writes:

Chamberlain

I don't recall reading that Chamberlain had disdain for his own countrymen. The loons in this country LOATHE their countrymen. They abhor capitalism, religion, tradition, now they revile real science, they undermine the family at every turn and since every feeling (paranoid or not) is as valid as the next, they eat their own, like Stalin, Hitler, Castro, etc.

Chamberlain needed a wake up call, these modern a**holes need good butt kicking.
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Sunday, May, 11, 2008 12:34 AM caday5 writes:

Gunny

And it was Goring who said that to get a nation to fight a war, all you have to do is tell them that they are being threatened and that the pacifists are against patriotism.

So, the question is how many Neville Chamberlain's failed to warn the world about our aggression?
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Sunday, May, 11, 2008 9:51 AM Steve writes:

Dear Ken

I think Caddy just made your point for you!

You're right that Chamberlain was not a hater of his own country and its traditions. However, that sort of thing WAS present in the Labor Party of that time. At Cambridge University, in particular, an openly anti-national communistic political element was at work. Some of the inner members later went on to become the most notorious traitors in Western history.

It's of further interest to note that the Nazi-aligned BUF (British Union of Fascists) disbanded and, with a few exceptions, united with their countrymen against Hitler when war came. That included Sir Oswald Moseley, the party's leader. It didn't, however, include "Lord Haw Haw"... who was hanged!

Make what you will of that!! Happy Mama's Day.
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Sunday, May, 11, 2008 10:08 AM KenUSA writes:

Steve

Thanks for the background. Happy Mothers Day to you and yours.
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Sunday, May, 11, 2008 10:22 AM KenUSA writes:

caday5

I didn't need anyone to tell me we were being threatened. I cleverly deduced as much when I saw Jets filled with Americans crash into buildings filled with Americans guess where: in America.

Where you and I differ, (and reasonable men can differ) is in how best to protect against future attacks.

We have a President, House and Senate, a DOD. an intelligence community, allies with assets and a court system, all of whom are above my (and your)(and Joe Wilson's)(and Wesley Clark's) pay grade to make decisions like that. I am thankful that my part is a small one. To

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Sunday, May, 11, 2008 10:25 AM KenUSA writes:

Sorry

"To do my best, to do my duty, to God and My Country."

I Think that's a piece of the Cub Scout Pledge. If a second grade Cub Scout can get, so can I.
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Sunday, May, 11, 2008 10:45 AM KenUSA writes:

Father knows best

This poor father's tragedy will probably be twisted for purposes of propaganda by the likes of the Bush Cheney Mcain cabal.

http://tonythescribe.blogtownhall.com/2008/05/11/father_say s_“my_daughter_deserved_to_die”.thtml
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Sunday, May, 11, 2008 10:48 AM Buck writes:

FDR

I wonder how history would have treated him had there not been a depression.
One thing that keeps being missed by the historians is this: The Hoover Administration was NOT the cause of the Great Depression. Although he was blamed for it then and now...democrats are good at finger pointing, both past and present... Hoover took office in early 1929. The crash was in the fall. The decline had started long before Hoover was in office.
People at the time knew FDR was a socialistic minded liberal. One of his alphabet agencies was shut down as being unconstitutional. I cannot remember which but it was something akin to the WPA. He was the first to give great dividends to the populace from the government treasury and in response he was re-elected 3 times. His own party was divided over the 3rd and the 4th term. I think one of the reasons Garner was not his running mate was because he did not believe in a 3rd (or maybe it was 4th)term. Truman was his running mate for his 4th term and it was Truman who pushed for the Amendment prohibiting a president to serve more than 2 terms.
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Sunday, May, 11, 2008 1:48 PM caday5 writes:

KenUSA I

Again, the problem with some conservatives is they cut off the flow of information so that they don't have the whole picture.

Yes, we were threatened and that occurred before 9-11. But those attacks were not first strikes but responses to almost generations of US foreign policies. Policies that currently include veiled threats to use nuclear weapons as a first strike weapon and without justification.

Go back to 1953 when we cooperated in a coup to overthrow the parliamentary gov't of Iran because it wanted to nationalize oil resources. We installed a cooperative gov't, to us, under the Shah who harshly suppressed dissident voices. His treatment of the people was so rough that the Ayatollah Khomeini was initially welcomed by the Iranians.

We installed the B'aath Party as the leading party in Iraq in the 60's. And when Saddamn Hussein was in charge in the 80's, we helped supply him with materials for WMDs and that was even after Saddamn had used them on his own people.

The sanctions we pushed for in the 90's are partially responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths of Iraqi children (the lowest credible estimate was 375,000) and over 1,000,000 Iraqis total. During one year of monitoring from Dec '98 to Dec '99, the US conducted airstrikes every third day killing over 140 people and injuring over 440 others. Cancer rates increased 10 fold in S. Iraq after we kicked Iraq out of Kuwait due to our use of weapons with depleted uranium.

We have been supporting the harsh dictatorships of Egypt and Saudi Arabia.

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Sunday, May, 11, 2008 1:48 PM caday5 writes:

KenUSA II

And our unbalanced support for Israel has been used to brutally oppress the Palestinian people. You can consult Israeli sources such as B'Tselem (http://www.btselem.org/English/Publications/index.asp) and the Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions (http://www.icahd.org/eng/) for statistics showing the harshness of the occupation.

And what is ironic is that the most democratic arab nation that supported the enemies of the Taliban prior to 9-11 is our new #1 target. You guessed it, it is Iran. And why would Iran feel threatened after we invaded two of its neighbors and have been issuing threats to them directly?

Did you ever think that perhaps others feel threatened by us?
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Sunday, May, 11, 2008 1:50 PM caday5 writes:

Buck

You are consistent. Democrats are the only ones you are willing to blame. I can see the headlines in the year 2308:

"Latest Recession Is Clinton's Fault"
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Sunday, May, 11, 2008 2:28 PM KenUSA writes:

caday5

Feeling threatened and being threatened are two different things. The nut that runs Iran was a key player in the abduction of Americans. Up the ante like that and you can expect to BE threatened.

Most of the acrimony in the world today has it's roots in conflicts that occurred long before the birth of this great nation.

In the same 60 years that we supported Israel, Japan has risen to be a world shaping economic powerhouse, South Korea builds the largest supertankers on the planet, examples are endless. On the other hand, Arafat led Palestinians have exactly ZERO economy, Cuba is just now allowing citizens to buy cell phones, the Berlin wall came down because the Soviet Economy collapsed.

These people live how they do because there are consequences to your choices. Their lives suck because their choices suck.
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Sunday, May, 11, 2008 4:20 PM caday5 writes:

KenUSA

You know little about the Palestinian-Israeli conflict and why the Palestinian economy is what it is. It is called occupation enables Israel to determine what growth or lack of it will take place. And considering that Israel wants the land, guess what will happen. I would consult Jeff Halper's "Matrix of Control" just to get an Israeli explanation of the other side.

Likewise, you point Ahmadinejad as being one of the leaders who kidnapped the American hostages in Iran. But who upped the ante first? I believe that was us in 1953 and in every year that we supported the Shah's repressive regime.

For some, history starts when we are attacked. What sense does that make when we have attacked others first? And btw, Ahmadinejad's power in Iran is equivalent to our speaker of the house. His rhetoric is meaningless when those in real power in Iran support the Arab initiative. In the meantime, we have not only been a constant threat, we have actually attacked countries.
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Sunday, May, 11, 2008 7:42 PM The Crawfish writes:

C5, ignorant of Palestinians

When Israel declared independence, all arabs living in Israel were given FULL CITIZENSHIP, completely equal to all Jews living there, with one exception. They were not compelled into service with the IDF. Gee...full citizenship without facing military service! What a deal!

The problems came when they listened to the other arab leaders who told them to GET OUT, so the arab nations could invade and destroy Israel, and the arabs could come in and take all of the possessions of the Jews. So, it is their own fault.
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Sunday, May, 11, 2008 7:43 PM The Crawfish writes:

C5, more ignorance

"So, the question is how many Neville Chamberlain's failed to warn the world about our aggression?"

So, Chamberlain should have been more concerned with us coming to the rescue than with Hitler overrunning Europe? What tripe.
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Sunday, May, 11, 2008 8:17 PM caday5 writes:

Crawfish

What you are aware of is that formal declarations are not always backed by actions. Works, such as those by the Israeli historian Ilan Pappe shows what the Israeli historian Benny Morris documented at the beginning of Zionism, that there was a concerted effort to ethnically cleanse the land of Arabs. Morris documents the writings of individual Zionist settlers and culminated in Theodore Herzl who is regarded as the father of political Zionism showing that there was a to be a quiet campaign to rid the land of Arabs. Pappe shows how this campaign was carried out in '48.

American-Israeli Anthropoligist and activist Jeff Halper more than adequately explains why Israelis like Golda Mier denied that there were Palestinians. Zionists could not refer to the Arabs who lived in the land they were claiming as Palestinians because that would formally recognize the claim to the land by another group.

David Shipler more than adequately documents the inequality, despite the formal declarations of Israel's founding documents, that has existed between Israeli Arabs and Israeli Jews. And again, when we listen to Halper he notes that as long as the Arabs were compliant, they were welcomed in Israel. But once these Arabs tried to press their demands for equality, then the story changes.

There is more information to analyze besides formal declarations to understand the complex situation that exists in Israel.

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Sunday, May, 11, 2008 8:20 PM Steve writes:

Dear Caddy

Haven't we already addressed, in great detail, the bulk of those same allegations? All you do is repeat yourself. "The lie oft told" strategy may work on people who are either not up on the subject and/or are politically inclined to the left in the first place. Neither is the case, here. With every post, you further reveal yourself as one who is anti-American by nature and sees no moral dilemma in altering facts to forward an agenda. This is what we've long come to expect from the left. It's why leftists can never be trusted at face value... or be allowed to assume authority without firm opposition.
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Sunday, May, 11, 2008 8:25 PM caday5 writes:

Crawfish, re Chamberlain

Back in WWII, it is clear that we were not the aggressor in Europe. But since WWII, we have participated in coups in over 50 countries with many of these countries being democracies and our installed replacement gov'ts were dictatorships.

Again, there is more information to analyze besides what occurred in WWII; history didn't stop in 1945. It takes a real determination to rest on assumption when one projects our role in WWII to all subsequent events.

So Chamberlain didn't need to warn the world about us in the 30's. But then again, unlike today, we were not guilty of prosecuting a war of aggression in Chamberlain's days. Ben Ferencz, a former Nuremburg prosecutor, says that our national security strategy, formulated under 43, uses an ominously similar justification that the Nazis used in justifying their wars against Eastern Europe and Eastern European Jews.
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Sunday, May, 11, 2008 8:41 PM caday5 writes:

Steve

I repeat the same information because many of the assertions made here perpetually exclude that information. As Crawfish's last two notes illustrate, it seems that all American foreign policies that followed WWII are excluded when assessing today's foreign policies.

But what is anti-American? For example, when we killed hundreds of thousands of Filipinos while taking over the country following the Spanish-American war, Theodore Roosevelt praised our efforts in the Philippines while Mark Twain denounced them. Was Twain anti-American for condemning our actions in the Philippines or was he calling the country to be more moral? Was Roosevelt being patriotic for supporting his country right or wrong or was he being irresponsible in failing to rebuke America about its misuse of power?

G.K. Chesterton said that saying "my country right or wrong" is like saying "my mother, drunk or sober." Having an alcoholic father I can assure you that the latter statement only helps enable a horrible addiction.
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Monday, May, 12, 2008 9:02 AM The Crawfish writes:

C5

"Israelis like Golda Mier denied that there were Palestinians."

That's because she referred to the arabs living in Israel as "Israelis".
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Monday, May, 12, 2008 9:05 AM The Crawfish writes:

Post WW2

Many of the actions we sloppily took part in in the 35 years or so after WW2 were meddling with other nations, but also were countering the meddling within those same nations by the USSR, China, DPRK.....
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Monday, May, 12, 2008 11:19 AM caday5 writes:

Crawfish

And how did she refer to the Arabs who grew up and lived in the occupied territories who were not Israelis? That is who she was referring to, not the Israeli Arabs who, during her presidency, were not treated as equals in Israel.
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Monday, May, 12, 2008 11:22 AM caday5 writes:

Crawfish

Please give a list of those nations and the see if it included Iran ('53), Guatamala ('54), Greece('67), and Chile ('73). Note that I only gave you a fragment of the list of nations whose gov'ts we overthrew.

And, if meddling in another country's business is justification for having another nation overthrow your gov't, then does some other country have the right to overthrow our gov't?
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Monday, May, 12, 2008 11:35 AM Buck writes:

Question: C-5

After this TERRIBLE country is rendered asunder by you and your cohorts. What are you going to do? Who will you then blame? When the thugs of the world coalesce and there is no power capable of stopping them. Who will you blame?
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Monday, May, 12, 2008 11:45 AM Steve writes:

Dear Caddy

Your assertions are rejected because they dishonestly twist selected items to form a false and biased anti-American worldview. The assertion that Americans killed "hundreds of thousands" of Filipinos during the Insurrection is but another example.

Emilio Aguinaldo, who had expected to be El Supremo of the Philippines after the Spanish were ousted (by us!), led a terroristic campaign against America when he learned that we were not going to just walk away and leave an impoverished and disunited country to the mercy of foreign powers and/or domestic dictatorship. In the course of that war, he committed numerous Viet Cong style outrages against his own people. And, at the same time, American troops were building an infrastructure to a modern natiion... and concurrently dealing with the murderous scourge of the fanatical Moslem Moros.

It's a thankless kind of job, as we've often learned since. But it had to be done. America inherited responsibilities and we did not turn aside from them. When Aguinaldo surrendered, he was treated as an honorable combatant (which he didn't deserve!) for the sake of reconciliation.

And what Clemens though of it all is irrelevant. Just because a man is a good writer doesn't mean he has a lick of good sense in global affairs. Nor am I a chauvinist who believes in "my country, wrong or right". I am a patriot who puts his country's welfare ahead of personal interest. If I think that America is on the wrong track, I say so... and often have. But I would NEVER do anything to undermine my country's efforts when her troops are in the field, fighting for freedom against terror.
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Monday, May, 12, 2008 12:13 PM caday5 writes:

Buck

The only way to avoid the dire picture you gave is to act morally. And, btw, that is what I am working for.
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Monday, May, 12, 2008 12:47 PM Gray Ghost writes:

caday5

"The only way to avoid the dire picture you gave is to act morally. And, btw, that is what I am working for."

Then move to Cuba or any other sh*t hole, you friggin idiot. There you can work as long as the type government you seem to love will allow you to live.

Or, as another suggestion, you can Go to H*ll.
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Monday, May, 12, 2008 3:46 PM caday5 writes:

Steve

"liberate" is an oft used term but did you follow the lineage of leaders in both Cuba and the Philippines after those conflicts?

Funny that, after 9-11, we use the analogy of how one should respond to an intruder when they break into your house. But when we are the intruder, as we see in Iraq, we call those who resist us "terrorists."
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Monday, May, 12, 2008 3:50 PM caday5 writes:

Gray Ghost

If that is your response to someone who says that they want their gov't to act morally, then what should someone conclude about how you want the gov't to act?
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