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I find nothing to correct in your post. I have, myself, written on this subject. In one post, I offered my opinion as to the mental process that Conservatives and Libs go through unconciously and how they differ. Cons being realists and able to adjust their actions when reality is not what they thought. Libs are dreamers seeing the world the way they wish it was. Holding onto that perception is the reason they can not change their actions. They believe anything is possible if you want it bad enough.

I also posted, "Indiscriminate Discrimination" where I explained how Deficrats believe there are no real ethics, only how you feel about something. No right or wrong means that if you decide Israel is being picked on by the Palestinians, then you have not given the Palestinians the consideration they deserve.

Any judgmental decision means that one side had to sudder from the other side being elevated. So, without determining the true facts, they make judgements. Indiscriminate discrimination, or, in other words, prejudiced decision making.

DISCLAIMER:
Discrimination and prejudice, as I have used them, have no racial meaning at all, they pertain only to judgement without thought.

Hope you stick around, I look forward to more posts from you.
Glenn Flowers

Conservatives are too closeminded - Liberals can't stick to one agenda - you are all screwed up. It's those of us in the middle with the true minds to listen and understand all points of view whether we agree or not. It's understanding that the conservatives lack. A better word would be a heart. Agree? Don't Agree.

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I mispelled suffer above, typing "sudder" in error.

Also, we have a blogging group, Bobbie's Band of Bloggers, that announces new posts by members in a daily e-mail. There are quite a few members and it gets the news of new posts out there. Bobbie, the creator and publisher of the group, is relentless and a real saint.

If you would like to be included, send an e-mail with the link to your new post, and a brief description of it to Bobbie...

barbakelley@bellsouth.net

She will add you to the mailing list.

GFF

Squeezing fact into the shape of one's opinion is rampant on either side.

First, welcome to Townhall.
Second, as Glenn stated, there is an informal group (about 70 members) that shares information though the Herculean efforts of Bobbie. For more information swing over to her site:
http://speakupamerica.blogtownhall.com/2008/12/01/conservat ive_email_list_alert.thtml

FInally, to the point of your post, the Liberal mindset is driven by emotion. Listen to them during a discussion, and they ivariably defend their position by saying. "I feel that..." or "I believe that..." instead of "I think that...".

Thanks for the comment Glenn. I will look for those postings you mentioned on your page. I am very interested in reading what you have written. This is a topic that is very interesting to me.

Thanks for commenting M.E. Actually, Conservatives are far more open minded to what is being said, it is part of the fact finding mission to uncover truth.

However If I may make one assumption and please correct me if I am wrong. By your comment I have this itching feeling that your idea of being open minded is to actually try something as opposed to just listening to the idea. OK, fine... however please keep in mind that there is no need to stick your finger into a live electric outlet to verify whether or not you will get a shock. Just like there was no need for us to throw hundreds of billions of dollars away on a stimulus bill when past efforts in our own country and Japan have failed. Or why we do not need to try Gov run healthcare because we can see the results already by focusing our attention on Canada or Europe for example.

I agree with you on listening to all points of view. However I have to tell you, it is impossible to understand "all points of view" since not all points of view actually make sense. It is the conservatives ability to make sense out of what is said through the fact finding stage that conservatives are attracted to.

Also, understanding is not "Heart". Heart is more related to passion and beleive me, there is no lack of passion from conservatives. Understanding is merely the knowledge of how one came to a conclusion. For example, you might say I can see why you have arrived at your conclusion based on the information you have read that lead you to that opinion.

anyway, I have to head out for now. Thanks again for commenting.

I never said anything about liberals not having any fact in their opinion. Please re-read what I wrote. I stated that liberals tend to be more drawn to the opinion of others whether or not there is fact stated in that opinion.

However having fact in an opinion really depends on the facts, are the so called facts actual facts or once again just the thoughts spun by someone else on the topic that have the appearance of actual fact.

Thanks for the comment and confirmation of my thoughts. I will certainly check out her site as well.

"I stated that liberals tend to be more drawn to the opinion of others whether or not there is fact stated in that opinion. "

What's up with the nearly verbatim talking points quoted here, by Rush-bo and ADD Glen Beck?

"True conservatives on the other hand are much more inquisitive and far less trusting in the search for information. Opinion is not initially accepted with out some type of verification of fact. Conservatives are concerned more about being misled than they are with satisfying any particular emotional state"

Too bad there are no more true conservatives!

"satisfying any particular emotional state"
you mean like screaming during someone else's speech.

"I stated that liberals tend to be more drawn to the opinion of others whether or not there is fact stated in that opinion. "

Coop, those are my words and my words only explaining what I written in my posting which you had misread... you show me exactly where Rush or Beck said "almost verbatim" what I said. SHOW ME COOP!

There are plenty of true conservatives left coop, you are just to blind to know who they are because you are too clouded in a twisted liberal fantasy land.

By the way, once again you are trying to twist what I had said, You are either doing this on purpose to play games with me or you really are that dumb. Which is it Coop, are you a dummy?

Seriously though coop, if you are not really as dumb as you come off please tell me how Joe Wilson yelling at Obama has anything even remotely to do with what I wrote in this blog posting.

"I do not have much to write on this posting."
No kidding, you should have stopped there. (joking)

I don't think you roll out the day's talk show/radio show's talking points..I wasn't referring to you.

Re: Wilson...his behavior was emotional.

Of course I agree with you, PVP. I have had many experiences with liberals, and even "so-called conservatives" who completely ignore the facts that I present. They just change the subject or stick with something that really doesn't have anything to do with the argument. Frustrating!

As for Wilson, yes, he was reacting emotionally, but his emotion was based on the facts. Which is more than I can say for Obama. He is at best, living in a fantasy land, not understanding the facts, or at worst, intentionally misleading us in search of power. I'm leaning toward the worst.

That was an interesting comment to me, as I run into this a lot in religious discussions. My instinct is to say, "I think" but I always switch it to "I believe" because I think it will sound better to my audience when discussing subjects of faith. I know this is a little off the subject of politics, but I find it very interesting that so many of my "conservative" Christian friends are really quite liberal and don't realize it. They are more concerned with how God makes them "feel" over what the Bible actually tells us about God and what we should do. They are socially conservative but don't really have much use for facts and reality - kind of floaty, happy, and faithful, but not "real."

Thanks for posting a reply again. I am curious to who you were talking about if not me. You quoted what I had said in your reply. How could I not think for a second that you were not talking about me.

It is ok for you to just admit that maybe you were wrong and should not have hinted at the possibility that I was plagiarizing or using someone elses talking points especially with out any backing or supporting evidence proving your accusation.

As far as Joe Wilson, well once again please re-read my posting. I had written about the speration between the way liberals and conservatives gather information to arrive to conclusions. I did not say that liberals are emotional and Conservatives are not. My posting once again has absolutely nothing to do with Joe Wilson calling Obama a liar on the floor. However he is right, Obama is a liar. Even you can not deny that, as it is a proven fact on many many occasions.

Wilson etc.....

Thanks for posting a comments Carol. It is amazing how liberals are so quick to ignore facts or turn away from them. I get the same frustration as well when debating with liberals. You made a great point about the religous discussions you have had. I too know people who think they are conservative as well who really are liberals. Maybe one day I will run into someone who thinks they are liberal when in truth they are really conervative. I doubt it but it's nice to dream :)

It's exasperating just to say the word. Not possible for a liberal to be open minded, the world exists inside their heads where they can imagine utopia. To make it seem real they have to shut everything other than commie-speak out. It's like those people in religious cults. They're trained not to hear or absorb facts from without the cult that conflict with their particular doctrine. From time to time one of them will stray from the flock forcing the cult leader into damage control. But hey it was one of those cults that gave us the great line "drank the kool aid". Looks like one commenter to your post has been drinking lots of it.

Really good post.

consecutive comments that is. Reading M.E.'s comment, I can't help but remember friends I have that are politically "in the middle" have are unable to make definite decisions regarding which point of view to adopt as their own. By their own self description people in the middle have no core beliefs. No small wonder that they feel compelled to listen to and "understand all points of view whether they agree or not". Well I do not for one agree with anything the likes of Daniel Ortega, Hugo Chavez or Saul Alinsky have to say. So why on earth would I want to waste one precious moment of my life attempting to understand their point of view? It does me no good, it does them no good and it does the world no good.

There's a name for that touchy feely behavior, it's called altruism, a mental disorder that afflicts liberals especially the ones that don't realize they're liberals. Having a "heart", all that listening and willingness to be open and understanding only helps them feel better about themselves, it raises their self esteem, and makes them feel superior as they sit on the fence waiting for a lesser god to lead them one way or another off the fence. Like lemmings they'll follow the most attractive god that comes along, up to and right off the cliff if that's where he takes them.

anyhow, I see coopmeister is at it again. Projecting that is. Conservatives generally form an opinion consistent with the underlying facts. The facts shape the opinion. It's whacky liberals from the left that will contort the facts to fit into their rather tortured opinions. All we need here is to point to the "truthers" and Charlie Sheen. Excellent post PVP you nailed em.

P.V.P. I appreciate your comments at Spirit of Resistance. This post on the thought process of liberals and conservatives is right on. I just read another related post that compliments perfectly with yours called The Pathology of Socialism at http://havegunwillvote.blogtownhall.com/2009/09/16/the_pat hology_of_socialism.thtml from the Blog HAVEGUNWILLVOTE. It gets down to how this all gets started. It's the parents fault. Check it out.

PS I still think Coopmeister is a Shrub Monkey

it'll be fun

He and his 2 allies (coopmeister and some other nut) are just a peach

http://youngrepublican.blogtownhall.com/2009/09/15/land_of_ liberalism.thtml

As the lone conservative in a family filled with raving liberals, I kind of have a unique perspective on the issue.

Experince has taught me that liberals tend to fall into 2 categories.

Those like my sister who don't spend any time actually Learning about any of the issues, and takes the word of the state run media as gospel.
This type of Liberal tend to make up the vast bulk of their numbers. They don't want any responsibility for anything and just want the government to take care of their every need and want, and scream for more "free govt money" every chance they get. Their favorite pass-time is waiting for the govt check to arrive.


The other type are those that think they know much more than anyone else. My brother's wife fits this category. They're the ones who are constantly giving you "free advice" on how to live every aspect of your life. These people believe that when the new world order comes, they will naturally rise to the top and be an appartchik. (cream rises to the top, but so do turds)

Needless to say, family functions are very interesting.
I'm constantly asked why I became a "Republican", Imagine thinking the word "Child Rapist" when you say Republican and you get close to the tone I hear.

I always reply the same way.

I learned to think for myself, you should try it sometime you might like it.




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Thanks for the comment Jackpine. I know the type of liberals you discuss. Especially the ones who think they know more than anyone else. I actually sat next to one of those at a past company I've worked for. Well, actually it was two of those whom I sat next too. Needless to say it kept things interesting in a very very annoying way.

By the way, haven't you heard? We do not need to think for ourselves anymore....

Obama will take care of everything.

Ck this one PVP Benjamine K. Charles, he thinks we lack civility. he needs correcting One of those smug types with two first names for a name.


http://benjaminkcharles.blogtownhall.com/2009/02/26/america n_civility.thtml
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make a splash in the water!!!!!!!!