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Comment on: Perspective from Perseverance

Top CIA Operative Says "CIA Will Not Be The Scapegoat"

56 Comments
Friday, May, 15, 2009 10:39 AM ApolloSpeaks writes:

JIM

You're right about Pelosi beating a stake into her own heart. She should resign and open up a head shop in Haight Ashbury
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Friday, May, 15, 2009 2:03 PM Mrs. AL (Always Learning) writes:

Jim

Alas, I don't think this is going to turn out the way we would like. Obama needs her hard-left hand steering Congress. He can't let her get ousted or resign. They need each other to complete their nasty little agenda.

On the other hand, I hope there are enough people in the CIA to take this issue to the mat. Unfortunately, they are probably too honorable to do what needs to be done. These folks are in a tricky position as I see it.

Thanx for the post and letting me vent!
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Friday, May, 15, 2009 9:49 PM Jim writes:

Haight Ashbury

Yes, they can open a head shop, dumpster dive, sing kum-ba-ya and wear tie dye clothes.
OOh that's scary, Nancy P-Liar stoned!
Thanks Apollo, I won't sleep well tonight!
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Friday, May, 15, 2009 9:56 PM Jim writes:

Obama needs her hard-left hand steering

I don't know if she's going to survive this one. It's clear the CIA isn't going to be her scapegoat. So if this doesn't go away, she's cooked. She'll loose credibility, the ObamoNation won't want her lowering there polls. She'll be toast. The CIA would release this info rather then look like they were lying and conducting torture and not getting significant results. Obama was already given this intel which is why he stopped the release before. If he had let the release out, he would have looked like an idiot. He doesn't want that. He'll let P-Liar go to the sharks before he lets the CIA release this info.
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Saturday, May, 16, 2009 12:35 AM The Crawfish writes:

Looks like Panetta

is one of the few Clintonoids who takes national security somewhat seriously. The internal memo of his that was released this afternoon makes it clear that he is prepared to personally drive the bus over Red Nanny.
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Saturday, May, 16, 2009 1:03 AM Jim writes:

Wow Mud Bug

I hadn't seen that yet but obviously after hearing this Thursday night, it doesn't surprise me. As I said in the blog they are prepared to release more... The Memo you're referring to came after the memo I heard about, which leads me to believe Panetta found the evidence he wanted...
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Saturday, May, 16, 2009 10:47 AM davecatbone writes:

Pelosi

really bumbled this time. How incompetent can you be? Too bad the Left will accept absolutely anything from their members. She should step down. Maybe the CIA will continue to help!
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Saturday, May, 16, 2009 11:09 PM Sue writes:

CIA

I was happy when I heard that Panetta put out the memo. What bothered me was certain tv hosts talking about how Panetta did the right thing and that he is a Democrat. Party should not matter. What matter is the security of all Americans, no matter what party.

Now for Pelosi, what a complete potato head she is. Lets attack the CIA. I mean come on...the CIA. What next, the FBI? What a piece of work this woman is. Of course she feels she did nothing wrong. Oh please! I like her mumbo jumbo. She was misunderstood. She was not blaming the CIA, she was blaming the Bush officials. I guess next to blame is Barney the dog.
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Saturday, May, 16, 2009 11:10 PM Gar Swaffar writes:

Jim

No need for Red Nanny to do her own stake. If a raffle was held nationwide we might be able to pay off the multi trillion dollar debt next week.
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Sunday, May, 17, 2009 1:14 PM Neocon_Slayer writes:

Jim, you moron, I've left a few replies

to your idiocy on the "Blood Of Patriots" and the Reagan thread you were foolish enough to challenge me on.

I'm gonna make you look like the idiot you are, each and every time you pop off against me.
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Sunday, May, 17, 2009 9:06 PM Jim writes:

Lets talk moron

OK, I'll just refer to you as Brain Dead for now on. Brain Dead, every army but the US was issuing Bolt action Rifles except the US, second the 98 Mauser is an exceptional rifle. If the US hadn't opened the second front in Europe, it wouldn't have happened, England on it's own didn't have the resources. That's just the idiocy of the foundation of your arguement. I'd tear all of it down but you're nothing but another welfare bum and i'm not going to waste my time on you. Have a nice life.

PS, The only person that thinks your post are intelligent is you. You only make me look smarter, thanks! Keep posting!
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Sunday, May, 17, 2009 10:01 PM MD/MG writes:

I've heard

that Steny Hoyer is buddy buddy with Rahmbo. He'd be a good fill in for the shrieker of the house. She is so intent on the gotcha politics to get the Bush administration and is counting on cover from the media. She sure wasn't prepared to be challenged at her press conference.

Hoyer=good for the POTOTUS, not us.
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Monday, May, 18, 2009 4:20 AM Joe writes:

The CIA

The DEA, the NSA, and a bunch of other First Responders in our war on crime and terrorism are always on the chopping block whenever there is a Democrat controlled Congress.

They are always the scapegoat of gutless oportunistic politicians.

I don't think that Pelosi is finished, beaten might be, but not finished. The press,media, Congress and the Senate will cover for her. Obama will stand back and watch.
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Monday, May, 18, 2009 12:07 PM The Crawfish writes:

I'VE GOT IT!

MD/MG's comment kicked my memory into gear somehow. I've been trying to come up with a movie character that reminds me of Red Nanny. A nitwit female who is power mad and fighting against all who would defend us against evil. From the movie "Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix"...Deloris Umbridge!
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Monday, May, 18, 2009 12:10 PM The Crawfish writes:

MD/MG and Jim

I decided to include my last comment and a link to this blog in tonight's column at The Swamp.
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Monday, May, 18, 2009 8:19 PM Neocon_Slayer writes:

Jim, England and Russia were BOTH

already producing more armaments than Germany before the USA got into the war.

Do you think the Germans were gonna swim across the English Channel on their horses to invade England?

By the END of the war the Germans were still using WWI bolt-action rifles.

Do you have any clue about economics? The Germans were lacking many, many vital natural resources for their war effort.

Before WWII England and Russia--combined--occupied something like 40% of the Earth's landmass. Germany had around 3%. They had WAY more population and industrial capacity.

My misguided fool of a debator...you've seen too many Hollywood movies about WWII!
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Tuesday, May, 19, 2009 5:51 AM davecatbone writes:

the average American

knows Pelosi is a fraud and liar. But too many have drank the kool aid and are Obama cultists.....she'll survive this, because Liberals don't care about integrity, honesty or America the way it was founded.
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Tuesday, May, 19, 2009 9:02 AM Jim writes:

That's Too Funny!

Good call Mud Bug, that's too funny!Deloris Umbridge is nancy PLiar! I'll sleep better knowing that!
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Tuesday, May, 19, 2009 9:05 AM Jim writes:

too many have drank the kool aid

You may be right Davecat, but she's loosing ground with every lip movement. They can't keep covering for her forever.
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Tuesday, May, 19, 2009 10:47 AM The Crawfish writes:

Germany

Someone hasn't studied very much history. Yes, the armament production just before the war broke out was increasing for both the UK and USSR, but they were already far behind in quantity, and more importantly quality. The German rifle for most of the war was the Mauser 98, which was roughly equivilent to the Brit's Lee-Enfield and the American Springfield, both of which were used extensively during the war. However, the Germans also had the MG-34 and MG-42, both of which were far superior to anything the allied nations had, along with the Schmeiser machine pistol, and they ended the war with the Sturmgewehr, the first modern assault rifle. Their tanks were far superior to anything the allies put on the battlefield until the Soviet T-34. The Americans and Brits relied on the Sherman, which was a deathtrap against the Tigers, Panthers, and King Tigers.

I haven't even touched upon their training, surperior generals, the Luftwaffe, or the unterseebooten, which almost put England out of the war even though Hitler started the war before even 1/3 of the planned u-boats were ready.

Thank you for playing our game. We have nice parting gifts for you on your way out the door. Don't let it hit you in the arse too hard.
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Tuesday, May, 19, 2009 4:57 PM Mrs. AL (Always Learning) writes:

Jim

You don't need a Mauser (though a fine weapon), you need the Orkin Man! Haha
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Tuesday, May, 19, 2009 11:34 PM Jim writes:

what a complete potato head

You're too kind Sue. I've thought of a few choice names for P-Liar and potato head wasn't one...
I think Panetta got sick of being dumped on. Certainly others in the CIA were as well. I had a feeling that this was going to end up getting to the press.

Thanks for visiting Sue
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Tuesday, May, 19, 2009 11:41 PM Jim writes:

You're Probably Right Joe

This didn't do her in, but her approval rating dropped 9 points in a couple days. I think she's lost herpower and will quietly fade away now. Or she could open her mouth again and put herself out of her misery quickly. Either way I think shedid herself in.
Welcome to my perspective Joe.
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Tuesday, May, 19, 2009 11:50 PM dawndawn writes:

Nnnannna Hey Now!

Hey, Jim! I am so excited, ecstatic and close to euphoric about any thing that could bring nnnnnnannnnnceeee down .... To call her incompetent is an extreme understatement. Somehow, in the dem caucus, I don`t believe nnnnnannnncee is respected and the Dem party would be well served to confront her and insist she resign.
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Tuesday, May, 19, 2009 11:55 PM Jim writes:

The Idiot Isn't Worth It

If ever there was a troll that stunk at being a troll, it's our friend here Phil Yuen (formerly conservatism is dead> aka Phil the brain dead)His argument was so childish it wasn't worth my time. I'm guessing he's 16 and a virgin (not by choice). He didn't even realize I guess that the US used horses in WWII, we just couldn't ship enough over in quantity. Or that every army except the US the standard issue rifle was a bolt action. The Russians had the SVT 40 but the standard issue was the M1891 Mosent-Nagant. At any rate he's at best a spit drooling moron and dosent realize that I've forgotten more about WWII then he'll ever know.It's one thing to read statistics out of a book, it's anotther thing to understand them.
At any ratre Mud Bug, not worth the effort to debate the idiot.
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Tuesday, May, 19, 2009 11:59 PM Jim writes:

If a raffle was held...

Why that's (dare I say) brilliant! Boaz you amaze me (don't take that wrong, I have high expectations for squids)! I'd bid on it!

Thanks Bro!
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Wednesday, May, 20, 2009 12:01 AM Jim writes:

Thanks Mrs.AT (always teaching)

Orkin man huh? They kill rats?
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Wednesday, May, 20, 2009 12:07 AM Jim writes:

To call her incompetent

Hi Dawn! Yes, I was strangely happy too. What most people don't see is that the Dimowits party is a house of cards. We only have 1266 more days of Marist rule.

Thanks for visiting the hood1
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Wednesday, May, 20, 2009 9:39 AM Watch Dawg writes:

Jim

ole "Nanny dearest" changed her story over 5 times!!who does she think she is foolin?? OH BTW I have my own blog here--come on by!
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Wednesday, May, 20, 2009 2:04 PM Neocon_Slayer writes:

Crawfish & Jim, SOME of the German army

was equipped w/decent arms, but the VAST MAJORITY of it (80%) were foot soldiers supplied by HORSE WAGONS...!!!

A 19TH CENTURY HORSE ARMY!!!

The Germans LOST the Battle Of Britain, and afterwards were no longer a real threat to England. Period. Fact. Undeniable. The English proceeded to bomb German cities into rubble afterwards. The Germans HAD NO long-range heavy bombers, and their one-way rocket had zero strategic effect on England.

The Germans made a fatal strategic mistake: they invaded Russia! This, more than anything, sealed their fate. Once the Russian winter hit, the German Army was toast--esp. being as how it WASN'T EVEN EQUIPPED FOR WINTER FIGHTING.

Germany had a SEVERE lack of essential wartime raw materials which hindered it greatly. It was FAR MORE DIFFICULT for them to replace material losses.

As w/material, Germany was drawing on a FAR SMALLER population base, making it harder for them to replace lost soldiers.

Much of their manpower was tied up w/occupation duty.

Their U-Boat warfare was an advantage early on, but eventually the sorties became short-lived sucide missions. Again, remember that once they lost U-Boats (and, more importantly the hard-to-replace crews), it was extremely hard to replace them.

You and Jim make the same mistake that all amateur armchair generals do: putting way too much emphasis on "strategy", while ignoring the far more important logistical/economic details.

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Wednesday, May, 20, 2009 2:06 PM Neocon_Slayer writes:

Thanks for letting me educate you Jim!

I see that you had no answers for my question about how the German Horse Army was gonna conquer the world!

Americans are REALLY dumbed-down when it comes to real WWII history...too much govt schooling, MSM propaganda, and Hollywood movies!
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Wednesday, May, 20, 2009 2:10 PM Neocon_Slayer writes:

At least Crawfish tried, unlike Jim

A valiant effort, Craw, but far, far short of proving how the Nazi Horse Army was gonna conquer the English and Russian Empires!

Tiny Germany was in deep trouble WELL BEFORE the United States decided to meddle. They were well on the road to defeat.

Guess making the world safe for International Communism was a better choice than letting the monsters Hitler and Stalin destroy each other!
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Wednesday, May, 20, 2009 2:15 PM Neocon_Slayer writes:

The Germans attacked first, so had the

element of suprise on their side, not to mention some very bright generals. However, their supreme commander was the lunatic Hitler, which cancelled out the 'genius' of the army brass.

After the initial advantage gained by attacking first wore off, England and Russia (the TWO LARGEST EMPIRES in the world at the time) got into war-time mode, and were proceeding to beat back the German attack, the momentum was shifting BEFORE America decided to enter this EUROPEAN war on the side of the English and Russian Empires.

I'm sure they didn't mind America coming to help them pay for the war, did they?
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Thursday, May, 21, 2009 10:32 AM Jim writes:

Phil, You're an Idiot!

I showed your Post to someone that went to War College and they laughed and said you didn't have a clue. So if you think you know more then a full bird Colonel that studied the war in greater detail then you could ever even imagine. The British won the air battle only because we we supplied them. Then think again your argumrnt about horses is stupid as the US, Soviet Union England and Japan all actively used calvary units during WWII. Germany would have been able to regroup after Barbarosa and stabelize the lines in Russia had it not been for the resources being needed fo Africa and then Italy and then France.
I could go down your list and pick EVERY detail to shreds, but you're still wrong and you're still and idiot.
And in two weeks when you get your welfare check, I'll still be paying for you and you'll still be an idiot.
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Saturday, May, 23, 2009 1:41 PM davecatbone writes:

It'll be moot

if we get hit in the next 6 months. Of course the idiotic kool aid drinking Leftists will still blame Bush, but the middle 30% who decide elections will flip again like sheep, running towards the sheep dogs for protection....
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Saturday, May, 23, 2009 4:51 PM Jim writes:

idiotic kool aid drinking Leftists

You're dead on Davecat. You know what happens, the media keeps telling the sheep how bad conservatism is until they lect a liberal. Then they remember how bad liberals truly are and elect another Republican. The problem is that the Republicans lately have'nt been conservatives. We got to change that!

Hang tough in Cin City
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Saturday, May, 23, 2009 5:03 PM Gar Swaffar writes:

Jim, Craw et al

Momma always told me not to pick on the "little bus" kids, despite how easy it is and the fun that can be had.
Phil is obviously short a few grey cells and needs special attention. It seems he went to the George Orwell School of Hope & Change and has found a job at the Ministry of Peace or Ministry of Truth. Say it long enough, loud enough and it becomes the truth.

And Jim: As for the Mosin Nagant, those old M44's can be had cheap these days, ($100 or so) and are just a bunch of fun to play with. They also, unlike the M1891, have the fixed, folding cruciform bayonet. It is just about impossible to hurt the rifle as it is as simple as they get and built like a brick latrine. I can drag that thing around and never worry about whether or not it is going to perform. It also makes me feel younger, since it is three years older (1946) than I am.

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Sunday, May, 24, 2009 9:55 AM Neocon_Slayer writes:

JIm, you haven't proven a thing and

niether has your alleged war college buddy.

Germany lacked the industrial base to conquer Britain OR the USSR, PERIOD.

I could care less what that alleged "colonel" thinks--after all, military men are just "dumb, stupid animals" (Kissinger said this!) who're tools of the State. Educated (i.e., indoctrinated) by the govt to serve the govt.

Other countries had horses, too, but the point is that Germany did NOT have the capacity to invade England, had its hands full fighting the Russians (even w/o American aid), and ABSOLUTELY DID NOT have the ability to "conquer the world".

It is idiotic for you, or your colonel buddy, to suggest otherwise.

This fantasy view of WWII is so heavily ingrained in the American psyche that it is nearly impossible to discuss the war rationally.
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Sunday, May, 24, 2009 9:59 AM Neocon_Slayer writes:

Making the world safe for International

Communism!

That is what FDR did!

He, and America, sided w/one of history's most horrific mass murderers (Stalin killed FAR more people than Hitler), and a nation (USSR) dedicated to spreading Communism all over the world--Hitler's intention was to establish "living space" in the EAST (Eastern Europe), not take over the world.

Being that America has become, more or less, a communist nation, I'd say FDR/America should've let Hitler and Stalin kill each other, instead of jumping in on the side of the Comintern!
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Sunday, May, 24, 2009 10:06 AM Neocon_Slayer writes:

Idiot Jim, ask that 'colonel'

if Germany was gonna conquer the world by swimming on horseback across the English Channel, as well as Atlantic and Pacific Oceans!

Also, ask him why the USG fought to save the English, French, and Soviet Empires.

Why were American lives and taxes spent to save two colonial powers (which had brutalized indigenous people the world over--including AMERICANS) and nation (USSR) with a political-economic system (Soviet Socialism/Communism) dedicated to the DESTRUCTION OF CAPITALISM AND LIBERTY?

My misguided neocon, you've drunk very deeply of the govt-school/MSM/Hollywood kool-aid, haven't you?

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Sunday, May, 24, 2009 10:50 PM Jim writes:

Phil You're an IDIOT

You argument is stupid, has no basis, no logicand only one person in the world celieves it and the person (you) is a moron! And I'm being nice. Go self fornicate.
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Sunday, May, 24, 2009 11:16 PM Jim writes:

You're Right Boaz

Phil is certainly a short bus patriot. He's quite obviously an ObamaZombie. You can tell because he repeats the same stupid argument over and over even after it's had more holes in it than rejected Swiss cheese.

I had an M91/30, it was solid, tough, relatively reliable, but boy was it a piece of carp. the 44 was a much better weapon. It was definitely the Lee-Enfield of the Russian Army.
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Tuesday, May, 26, 2009 2:29 PM Pen Captain writes:

jim

You are right on with this--Washington is pouncing on everone but themselves-they have circled the wagons around Pelosi but they do not see the arrows were shot by herself!!
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Wednesday, May, 27, 2009 2:06 PM Neocon_Slayer writes:

Jim, ask that 'colonel'

if Germany was gonna conquer the world by swimming on horseback across the English Channel, as well as Atlantic and Pacific Oceans!

Ask the 'colonel' if he has ever studied Nazi Germany's industrial capacity, raw-materials access, and population base--all of which were essential to the war effort, and all of which were seriously lacking.

Also, ask him why the USG fought to save the English, French, and Soviet Empires.

Why were American lives and taxes spent to save two colonial powers (which had brutalized indigenous people the world over--including AMERICANS) and nation (USSR) with a political-economic system (Soviet Socialism/Communism) dedicated to the DESTRUCTION OF CAPITALISM AND LIBERTY?

Why did America side with a murderer (Stalin) FAR worse than Hitler? A political entity (USSR) with FAR more potential to damage America than Nazi Germany?

My misguided neocon, you've drunk very deeply of the govt-school/MSM/Hollywood kool-aid, haven't you?

ANSWER THE QUESTIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Wednesday, May, 27, 2009 2:08 PM Neocon_Slayer writes:

Jim, you haven't proven a thing and

niether has your alleged war college buddy.

Germany lacked the industrial base to conquer Britain OR the USSR, PERIOD.

I could care less what that alleged "colonel" thinks--after all, military men are just "dumb, stupid animals" (Kissinger said this!) who're tools of the State. Educated (i.e., indoctrinated) by the govt to serve the govt.

Other countries had horses, too, but the point is that Germany did NOT have the capacity to invade England, had its hands full fighting the Russians (even w/o American aid), and ABSOLUTELY DID NOT have the ability to "conquer the world".

It is idiotic for you, or your colonel buddy, to suggest otherwise.

This fantasy view of WWII is so heavily ingrained in the American psyche that it is nearly impossible to discuss the war rationally.
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Wednesday, May, 27, 2009 2:10 PM Neocon_Slayer writes:

boaz, feel free to jump in and answer

any of the questions that Jimbo is so afraid of taking on.

Instead of making yourself look like an idiot by throwing around insults, make an attempt at reasoned debate.

You neocons sure aren't very bright.
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Wednesday, May, 27, 2009 10:44 PM Jim writes:

Phil The Spit Dooling Moron

Is that all you can do little boy is repeat the same stupidity over and over. Id does no good to disprove anything with you. I might as well be talking to a 2x4. I'm not going any further with you because you won't admit you're wrong any way. You already said as much. I'm a busy man and don't have time to waste arguing with a child. I done with you. So go dry your eyes, blow your nose, change your under roos and go to bed before you mommy finds you've been on the computer again!
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Wednesday, June, 03, 2009 11:02 PM Neocon_Slayer writes:

"Churchill, Hitler, and the Unnecessary

War" is a necessary book.

It is necessary because it tells the real story of British prime minister Neville Chamberlain’s "appeasement" of Hitler at Munich. Because the Sudeten Germans in Czechoslovakia – a multiethnic, multilingual, multicultural, Catholic-Protestant conglomerate that had never before existed – "hated the Prague regime and had no loyalty to a nation where they were second-class citizens" (there were more Germans in Czechoslovakia than Slovaks), Chamberlain, correctly, and not alone, "did not believe that maintaining Czech rule over three million unhappy Germans was worth a war."

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Wednesday, June, 03, 2009 11:03 PM Neocon_Slayer writes:

II

It is necessary because it shows that the greatest blunder in British history was not Munich, but the Polish war guarantee that committed Britain to fight for a Polish dictatorship that had considered making a preemptive strike against Germany, signed, like Stalin, a nonaggression pact with Hitler, and joined in the dismemberment of Czechoslovakia after the Munich Agreement. Here Buchanan is not alone. Lloyd George considered it "a frightful gamble" and "sheer madness." Former First Lord of the Admiralty Cooper recorded in his diary: "Never before in our history have we left in the hands of one of the smaller powers the decision whether or not Britain goes to war." It was "the maddest single action this country has ever taken," said a member of Parliament. I have written about this foolish Polish war guarantee here.
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Wednesday, June, 03, 2009 11:03 PM Neocon_Slayer writes:

III

It is necessary because it demolishes the cult of Churchill. Winston Churchill, rather than being the indispensable man of the century, was "the most bellicose champion of British entry into the European war of 1914 and the German-Polish war of 1939." Among his other crimes, Churchill appeased Stalin – one of the twentieth century’s greatest mass murderers, whose crimes exceeded those of Hitler – by agreeing to his "annexation of the Baltic republics," accepting "his plunder from the devil’s pact with Hitler," and turning "a blind eye to the Katyn massacre."
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Wednesday, June, 03, 2009 11:03 PM Neocon_Slayer writes:

IV

It is necessary because it explains how Hitler never wanted war with Britain. Hitler wanted absolute power in Germany. Hitler wanted to overturn the Versailles Treaty. Hitler wanted to restore lands to Germany. Hitler wanted to enlarge the German empire to the east. Hitler wanted to cleanse Germany of Jews. Hitler wanted to destroy Bolshevism. Hitler wanted Germany to achieve economic self-sufficiency in Europe. Hitler wanted to go down in history as "the greatest German of them all." But Hitler never wanted war with Britain. To Hitler: "Great Britain was Germany’s natural ally and the nation and empire he most admired. He did not covet British colonies. He did not want or seek a fleet to rival the Royal Navy. He did not wish to bring down the British Empire. He was prepared to appease Britain to make her a friend of Germany."
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Wednesday, June, 03, 2009 11:04 PM Neocon_Slayer writes:

V

It is necessary because it confirms that Hitler was not a threat to the United States. The German Luftwaffe lost the Battle of Britain to the Royal Air Force; the German Navy was no match for Britain’s Royal Navy ("The Navy – what need have we of that?," said Hitler in 1936). At the start of the war, Germany had only two battleships. The Bismarck had not been built yet – and it would be sunk on its maiden voyage. There were no troopships, landing barges, or transports for tanks and artillery. If Hitler could not cross the English Channel and conquer Great Britain, how could he possibly have been a threat to America? Buchanan dismisses Germany’s supposed plans "to build a massive surface fleet, develop a trans-atlantic bomber, and procure naval bases" as "comic-book history." The historical truth is that "there are no known German plans to acquire the thousand ships needed to convey and convoy such an army and its artillery, tanks, planes, guns, munitions, equipment, fuel, and food across the Atlantic." And as Buchanan points out about German bombers: "A trip over the Atlantic and back would require twenty hours of flying to drop a five-ton load on New York." And if even today the U.S. Air Force doesn’t have a bomber that can fly round trip from the Midwest to Germany without refueling, how could German bombers in the 1940s have possibly bombed the United States and returned to Germany when air-to-air fueling had not yet been invented?
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Wednesday, June, 03, 2009 11:04 PM Neocon_Slayer writes:

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Was it necessary that tens of millions were slaughtered to prevent Hitler from slaughtering millions?

Certainly not.

But don’t take Pat Buchanan’s word for it when we have the word of Churchill himself:

One day President Roosevelt told me that he was asking publicly for suggestions about what the war should be called. I said at once, "The Unnecessary War." There never was a war more easy to stop than that which has just wrecked what was left of the world from the previous struggle.

And if World War II was unnecessary, then how much more unnecessary are the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan?

Churchill, Hitler, and the Unnecessary War – buy it, read it, digest it, and refer to it often. And the next time someone tries to justify some U.S. military intervention by appealing to the "Good War," ask him what was so good about it.
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Wednesday, June, 03, 2009 11:04 PM Neocon_Slayer writes:

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http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance173.html


Bow down!
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Wednesday, June, 03, 2009 11:05 PM Neocon_Slayer writes:

Still no answers????????????????????????

Why am I not suprised...
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Monday, June, 08, 2009 12:59 PM Jim writes:

Why am I not suprised...

Wow, I'm not either, you see Phil, I'm not a welfare bum. I run a company and go out of town frequently on business so I can create the wealth to support people like you. But, no I'm not responding to your stupidity. So 99% of experts agree with my side and 1% with your side. Only an idiot would defend such a position and only a fool would argue with that idiot. Argue with yourself....
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