Talk Radio:
Bill Bennett
Mike Gallagher
Dennis Prager
Michael Medved
Hugh Hewitt
BREAKING NEWS
Register
|
Sign In
Search
SIGN UP NOW!
Columns, funnies & more in your inbox!
Login
|
What's Hot
Townhall Daily Alert
Your daily must-read of conservative columns, cartoons and news. Coulter, Sowell, Krauthammer and more.
White House & Capitol Report
Townhall.com’s weekly inside scoop on what’s happening behind the scenes in the world of politics. When news breaks, we report.
Daily Conservative Cartoon
Signup to receive the latest daily Townhall cartoons
Columnists
|
News
|
Video
|
Podcasts
|
Photos
|
Cartoons
|
Blog
|
Your Blogs
|
Issues
|
Get Magazine
|
Finance
What’s Hot
|
Your Blogs Directory
|
Create Your Own Blog
|
Featured Talk Radio Calls
Comment on:
The Vehement Moderate
America and Europe
2 Comments
Saturday, August, 18, 2007 5:15 PM
el gordo
writes:
I do remember the cold war
But first - Europe does not owe us because fighting the nazis was a true and just cause, but we owe France for our independence? I don´t quite get your logic there. I´m in any case not talking about an investment, I´m talking about some lack of decency on their side.
It is also irrelevant that the Red Army did most of the fighting and dying because the Red Army, while justified in defending Russia, was also an instrument of fascism. They did not liberate the part of Europe they occupied, the western allies did.
"saved them from Communism - that is where our credibility lies" - yeah, and we got called cowboy and warmongers for our troubles. I remember the 1970s and 1980s and the vilification of Reagan (popular graffiti: USA=SA=SS) It was a loud minority back then, but it became a majority right after the Soviet Union folded. Staunch allies? When exactly did they ever make a comparable sacrifice for their freedom, never mind the freedom of others? Anyway, it is forgotten now. I know people who will tell you that the Soviets never were a threat. I seem to meet quite different people than you, but they are not just a few.
"If somethine like that happened in North America, Europe would be honor-bound to intervene as well" - intervene with what? Have you tried that line on many Europeans? Did they laugh as loud as I did? You really don´t understand that what America did was absolutely unique in human history.
Email It
|
Print It
|
Flag as Offensive
Saturday, August, 18, 2007 5:55 PM
el gordo
writes:
As for the EU being the bastion
of "true and free government": The EU is certainly extremely useful in spreading a semblance of law and liberal order to their new member states in Eastern Europe (liberal in the old, good sense). That is no small achievement. Of course, it was never designed as a quasi-imperial enterprise. It was sold to the people as an economic union. Now it is poised to replace the democratic nation state and that is not good.
The nation states of western Europe already had all that. They were functioning democracies with constitutions and legal systems. Now, the EU is manifestly not transparent or representative. More and more laws are made in Brussels and nobody knows by whom, or why or who pays the bill. They are replacing the national constitutional order. The fact that many people don´t seem to object to this doesn´t mean that they know where it will end. The rejected European constitution (which will be implemented on the sly) was an open-ended to-do list for politicians that would have guaranteed enormous power to the state, instead of limiting state power as the American constitution does.
Now this is speculative, but if there is an intended end state, it seems to be the "enlightened" rule by by unaccountable elites and technocrats, with some democratic elements (where it doesn´t cause trouble), over a patchwork of "regions" and group identities. A bit like the Habsburg Empire with its many peoples (with the French in place of the Austrians, or so they like to think). From that perspective, who cares if some of these "peoples" live by sharia law?
Europeans are no longer at war (for which the EU arrogantly likes to take credit) but I have no idea whether they will be able to keep their liberty or if they even care.
Email It
|
Print It
|
Flag as Offensive
Sign Up to Post Your Comments
Sign Up to Post Your Comments
Please take a few seconds to sign up, then you’ll be able to post your comments immediately, use the action center, get podcasts, create your own blog and more! If you are already registered,
click here
.
Need an account?
Login
Login
Your Email:
Password:
Get Your Password
|
Register
Note: Fields marked with a red asterisk (
*
) are required.
Salutation:
Mr.
Mrs.
Ms.
Miss.
First Name:
*
Last Name:
*
Email:
*
Address 1:
*
Address 2:
City:
*
State:
AE
Alabama
Alaska
Arizona
Arkansas
California
Colorado
Connecticut
Delaware
District of Columbia
Florida
Georgia
Hawaii
Idaho
Illinois
Indiana
Iowa
Kansas
Kentucky
Louisiana
Maine
Maryland
Massachusetts
Michigan
Minnesota
Mississippi
Missouri
Montana
Nebraska
Nevada
New Hampshire
New Jersey
New Mexico
New York
North Carolina
North Dakota
Ohio
Oklahoma
Oregon
Pennsylvania
Puerto Rico
Rhode Island
South Carolina
South Dakota
Tennessee
Texas
Utah
Vermont
Virginia
Washington
West Virginia
Wisconsin
Wyoming
*
Zip:
*
Townhall Daily Alert
Your daily must-read of conservative columns, cartoons and news. Coulter, Sowell, Krauthammer and more.
Townhall.com Spotlight
(Bi-Weekly) We highlight the best opportunities from our partners for surveys, action items and more.