Fifth Column Idiots

Hey Chris you know how much I love to debate/argue with you... I'm not for democrats or republicans and you know I despise the Bush administration. I'm not going to defend the ad you ripped apart but they are raising some questions and getting people to think and I do believe that is good. There are 3 things I would like to take to task. The Bush administration brought this Iraq war on us under false pretenses and has repeatedly lied about the situation. The republicans and democrats both subverted the democratic process during the 2000 election. I ride the subway in New York City, my constitutional rights and all others are being violated by the policy of random searches, this is an indisputable fact and the federal government and the "Patriot Act" is behind all of this.

Dearest AHole,

First off, thank you very much for your input, it is good to discuss these things.

Second, if that ad raised any cogent points at all, I would agree with you about it having some value. But it doesn't. Nothing about it is rooted in fact or logic.

To your 3 issues:

1. "The Bush administration brought this Iraq war on us under false pretenses and has repeatedly lied about the situation."

Nobody is required to like Pres. Bush or believe anything he says. But you are required look at things objectively through the lens of recent history. To lie/mislead, one must know one thing to be true and then intentionally say the opposite. I challenge you (or anyone else) to produce the evidence of this. I ASSUME (and correct me if I am wrong) that you are referring to WMDs and the Hussein threat. Contrary to what the history re-writers tell us, there was NO cacophony of dissent (among elected leaders OR intelligence services) when we invaded Iraq in 2003; or in 2002, or in 2001, or in 2000, or in 1999, or in 1998 when the official US policy was explicily stated: Hussein's government must be overthrown.
When you say "repeatedly lied", do you mean they "exagerrated the success" against the terrorist insurgents post-war? Because that is a much more reasonable case to make.

2. "The republicans and democrats both subverted the democratic process during the 2000 election."

I can only speak for myself, but paying very close attention at that time, I saw nothing of the kind. I saw ATTEMPTS by the Democrats to not count Military ballots for instance, but they didn't succeed. No recount produced a different result. Bush won fair and square. Now, there is the whole issue of losing the popluar vote, which he did, but that has nothing to with cheating. The Electoral College is the way our Presdidental Elections are set up. If we want to change it to popular vote wins, then the Constitution has to be ammended. I would welcome that debate, but it ain't happening. I stand by my original comment that it is nothing but an urban legend that Bush "stole" the 2000 election.

3. "I ride the subway in New York City, my constitutional rights and all others are being violated by the policy of random searches, this is an indisputable fact and the federal government and the "Patriot Act" is behind all of this."

Exactly how are random searches on a city owned subway system unconstitutional??