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Are Guns the Problem?

ZealousConscript Wrote: Jan 16, 2013 8:49 PM
On one point at least I agree with Dr. Williams. Guns are not the problem. I don't think that any amount of gun control legislation would have stopped the shooting at Sandy Hook, and there are no measures which can return all the weapons out there back, so there is likely no legislation that can prevent these tragedies in the future. As much as it pains me to say so, such shootings are part or American life now. However, my beef is with his thoughts on sex-education. First, I dare anyone to find 5 well reviewed and non-partisan studies that show that abstinence only education works. It doesn't. Study after study shows that moralistic-wait-until-marriage abstinence programs have little to no impact on whether teens engage in pre-martial sex
George1001 Wrote: Jan 16, 2013 10:55 PM
I don't know, I never did, I am 58 and I am a single guy! I don't have any children since you have to be married first. My parents taught me well while they were alive. But these days there is no such thing as being responsible for anything so yea you would be correct. Well you never see mass shootings at rifle ranges now do you? My guess the cowards know better that to pull that nonsense at a rifle range.
mjagger Wrote: Jan 16, 2013 10:39 PM
Conscript, " I dare anyone to find 5 well reviewed and non-partisan studies that show that abstinence only education works."
Two things, I dare anyone to show me the opposite is true. Is teaching our kids how to use a condom on a banana, and giving them directions to the free clinic for BC pills.How is that helping our moral culture (which was The doctor's point).
Second, why is there sex education in school at all. Why are we teaching values, tolerance,multiculturism, blah blah blah. That stuff is taught in the home, and should be adhered to by student behavior in school.
I want my kids to learn Math, science, reading/writing, and a lot of American history/constitution. Most importantly critical thinking skills, and logic!
William6382 Wrote: Jan 16, 2013 9:29 PM
You're right that abstinence only education in schools doesn't work. What you seem to have missed is that parents used to be the ones who provided the moral compass for their children and much of society reinforced the parents' guidance. Not only is pre-marital sex no longer taboo, it is encouraged and flaunted.

As horrific as the Sandyhook shootings were, they do not represent a trend and they certainly don't highlight any correctable problems with our gun laws. The incident just provided a liberal playbook dream scenario that falsely characterized it as a crisis, offered a "solution" that was nothing more than a set-piece liberal talking point, cranked up a pliable media, and demonized anyone in opposition.
ZealousConscript Wrote: Jan 16, 2013 8:52 PM
For instance some studies have found that 88% of young adults engaged in marriage only abstinence programs have sex anyway. Thats a 22% success rate.
Navy-baby Wrote: Jan 16, 2013 9:28 PM
Perhaps it is because of peer pressure; adult educators who don't really believe in it; lack of church attendance, etc. It worked for us--mainly because we wouldn't do anything to dishonor or embarrass our parents, and had a very firm belief in the Ten Commandments. "Avoid temptation" kept us out of situations that could break down our resolve, and the support of like-minded teens helped us to be successful. Married 45 years to my "one and only love," and there is an absolute trust very few couples know today.

As Rush says: "abstinence works every time it's tried." Self-restraint is a virtue.
rwright Wrote: Jan 16, 2013 11:33 PM
Yes., a wonderful example of morality---Rush!
Navy-baby Wrote: Jan 17, 2013 11:19 AM
a wonderful example of morality--the Democrat Party! They support unrestricted abortion; yet all too often cry: "it's for the children!"

BTW, I was writing about MY own morality, and the majority of people from my era--not that of Rush.
When I attended primary and secondary school -- during the 1940s and '50s -- one didn't hear of the kind of shooting mayhem that's become routine today. Why? It surely wasn't because of strict firearm laws. My replica of the 1902 Sears mail-order catalog shows 35 pages of firearm advertisements. People just sent in their money, and a firearm was shipped.

Dr. John Lott, author of "More Guns, Less Crime," reports that until the 1960s, some New York City public high schools had shooting clubs where students competed in citywide shooting contests for university scholarships. They carried their rifles to school on...