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Is the Personhood Movement Really Pro-Life?

Yan5 Wrote: Jun 25, 2012 7:48 PM
So you are saying we should pass laws that we know to be unconstitutional and that doing so is justified because it increases public awareness. The primary public awareness that is increased by such cynical shenanigans is that of skepticism toward the legitimacy, morality and intelligence of pro life people. For shame.
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Is the Personhood Movement Really Pro-Life?

Yan5 Wrote: Jun 23, 2012 5:59 PM
So, you think that legalizing the killing of human innocent unborn children whenever a mother wants is reasonable? There can't be any reasonable debate about that???
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Is the Personhood Movement Really Pro-Life?

Yan5 Wrote: Jun 23, 2012 5:42 PM
A STATE amendment does NOT solve that. The personhood movement calls for state amendments. Thus they are ineffective as a means to change the law of the land. WHY not a federal amendment then? Because it takes 2/3 of the Senate and 3/4 of the states. It's been tried. We don't have the votes.
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Is the Personhood Movement Really Pro-Life?

Yan5 Wrote: Jun 23, 2012 5:36 PM
Are you involved in the pro life movement? If so, you would likely know that many in the pro life movement are NOT in favor of STATE personhood amendments. I include myself. Rachel Alexander, however, is wrong to assert that 'The pro-life movement does not support the personhood effort.' Some in the movement support it, and some don't. Some of my most dedicated pro life friends believe in the effort. People should not be able to define others as pro life or not depending upon whether they support a particular legal strategy. What is most important is to BE pro life. Don't be 'stoic;' get out there and lend a hand!
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Is the Personhood Movement Really Pro-Life?

Yan5 Wrote: Jun 23, 2012 5:26 PM
I think I agree. We don't have enough votes for an amendment banning abortion. The best bet is to vote for a President that will appoint 'pro-life' justices.
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Is the Personhood Movement Really Pro-Life?

Yan5 Wrote: Jun 22, 2012 8:37 PM
Facts I agree about your SCOTUS votes observation, but, do you think a personhood amendment would ever be a good idea, even at the federal level, assuming the votes were there? Wouldn't it be better to try to take away the abortion right, rather than add a right which might make things worse?
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Is the Personhood Movement Really Pro-Life?

Yan5 Wrote: Jun 22, 2012 8:32 PM
The government can't define personhood? Who defines it then? What if I say dogs are persons too? Do they have the right to life? In a civilization of laws, the government must define these things. It is up to the rest of us to help make sure the gov't gets it RIGHT.
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Is the Personhood Movement Really Pro-Life?

Yan5 Wrote: Jun 22, 2012 8:30 PM
Don't be ridiculous. The law IS unconstitutional, because Roe says women have a right to abortion. Obviously, a state personhood amendment interferes with that right. Don't get mad at OK. Instead, work and pray harder for a FEDERAL constitutional amendment changing the Roe holding, or try to get more justices on the court who think Roe is wrong and who will overturn it.
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Is the Personhood Movement Really Pro-Life?

Yan5 Wrote: Jun 22, 2012 8:22 PM
Louie please read the Constitution. There is something in there called the Supremacy clause. That means that the Constitution trumps state laws. So, if the Court says that the Constitution means X, and a state says 'we will not follow X', the Constitution wins. Right now, the court says the Constitution guarantees the right to abortion under certain circumstances. A state personhood amendment CANNOT TAKE AWAY THAT RIGHT.
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Is the Personhood Movement Really Pro-Life?

Yan5 Wrote: Jun 22, 2012 8:18 PM
Sir your assertion is prima facie ridiculous as a matter of science and has no theological basis either. At least, it has no basis in Christian theology.
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Is the Personhood Movement Really Pro-Life?

Yan5 Wrote: Jun 22, 2012 8:14 PM
I have been active in the pro life movement praying on sidewalks for 12 years and I oppose these efforts as being wrongheaded.
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