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The Monolithic Black Vote -- and My Republican Dad

wtmoore1 Wrote: Nov 15, 2012 10:19 PM
I don't know why Larry Elder stops there... Why aren't we putting our kids through a trial by fire, or leaving them out in the woods for a couple weeks with no food or shelter to fight for survival? It will tell us whether their parents raised a "man" or not... Yeah, I'm not sure if you can draw a causal link between welfare and everything that ails society, including poverty and single-parent households. While I have no doubt that those on the right see a correlation (because Fox News has drummed it into your heads that one is there), that in no way means welfare has caused a breakdown in society. More likely, that rise in poverty and breakdown that Elder cites has caused a rise in welfare recipients. Or is that too "paradoxical"?
Larry in Texas Wrote: Nov 16, 2012 7:17 AM
wtmoore1 - You and most of the rest on the Left's severe lack of logic and clarity is the problem.
Good grief.
wtmoore1 Wrote: Nov 16, 2012 2:02 PM

I am in fact pointing out the logical fallacy of the above argument. Simply because A, B, and C all increase in a way that is correlative, does NOT mean that a rise in A caused the rise in B and C, any more than it necessarily means that the rise in C caused the rise in A and B. Those are both possibilities, as is a cause (D) that as yet remains undiscovered, or even no cause at all, and all three rise coincidentally. Or any other number of independent variables could effect our conclusion.

The point is, the right's severe lack of logic and clarity is the problem.
Larry in Texas Wrote: Nov 16, 2012 6:41 PM
Thank you, Professor wt. I feel your insanity now. You're clearly nuts.
jimmylynn Wrote: Nov 15, 2012 11:55 PM
I think Mr. Elder's point was that welfare encourages people to remain unable to support themselves. It also contributes to a culture of having illegitimate children without a two parent family.
wtmoore1 Wrote: Nov 16, 2012 1:59 PM
Yeah, Jimmy, it's not that Elder's point is lost on me, it's that I don't agree with it.

Let me try again. Elder cites the rise of all three of those numbers in a correlative fashion and tries to claim that one caused the other two. Wouldn't it be just as arguable to assume that the rise in poverty caused a rise in single-parent households (because the #1 problem cited in most marriages is money), as well as causing a rise in welfare recipients? The only reason that the right blindly accepts the notion that welfare has caused these problems is because that's been the conservative narrative for the last 25 years.

Unfortunately, empirical data belies those claims...

In 13 wards in Philadelphia, reports the Inquirer, President Barack Obama received 99 percent of the vote! A local Democratic ward leader outlined the strategy: "In this election, you had to point out to people what was at stake. And in many cases, they felt that the Romney doctrine was not going to favor the working man."

Obama appears to have held on to most of his percentage of the black vote from 2008 -- even though the black unemployment rate in October reached 14.3 percent. Emmanuel Cleaver, the head of the Congressional Black Caucus, admitted: "If (former President)...