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Obama: Anti-Founders Debt-Accumulating Spendthrift (Part 1 of 2)

wtmoore1 Wrote: Jul 10, 2012 3:15 PM
What does that mean? Bad puns don't really offer critical information. I'm not trying to call anyone names or rub anyone the wrong way. I just want to express my viewpoint. I don't have a gut-check reaction against Pres. Obama; in fact, I think he's done a pretty good job considering the difficult position he is in. I'm not asking you to agree with me MandP, I just want to understand your point of view. I guess then, help me get unstuck from stupid. Does it not seem as though there is an unreasonable hatred toward Obama from his opponents? In modern politics can you remember a time when a candidate was so roundly condemned by those who disagree with his policies?
Kim D Wrote: Jul 11, 2012 1:22 PM
You couldn't have said it better!

The Tea Party continues
David488 Wrote: Jul 10, 2012 9:04 PM
My "perspective" is based on facts that we all total access to. These numbers paint a clear and accurate picture of where we are now vs four years ago, and the results are indisputable: unemployment is still over 8 %, thousands of homes are being foreclosed on daily, and Obama violated the Constitution by enacting the socialist "Obamacare" before it could be voted on.

I'll never understand your blind faith in this guy anymore than I can fathom why a battered wife defends her husband.
David488 Wrote: Jul 10, 2012 8:44 PM
Yeah, and those "older white" Americans and their parents are the ones who built this country and made it great.

When a relative nobody strolls into office and immediately starts writing out checks that we all pay for, to the tune of 5 TRILLION so far, that should be cause for alarm in anyone who understands economics. Funny how he aimed for the lowest common denominator in this country by building a campaign on one simple word: change. Sadly, the uneducated masses didn't get that the word "change"- by itself- is ambiguous.

He brought "change" as promised- for the worse. Why can't Obama voters just admit they got conned?
David488 Wrote: Jul 10, 2012 8:33 PM
"I think he's done a pretty good job considering the difficult position he is in". Well, you need to raise your standards. He claimed he was the right man for the job and so far he has failed at just about everything.

If anyone else performed as poorly on the job- or even made things worse as Obama has- they would be fired immediately. Yes, he made things worse. Unemployment, foreclosures and a stagnant economy are still here in full glory... the difference is, now we're 5 trillion further in the whole.

I bet there are tons of cults out there who'd love to get their hooks into you and your ilk.
wtmoore1 Wrote: Jul 10, 2012 4:59 PM
And that fear is accompanied by the willingness to see whatever evil thing in Obama that scares them most. It's that that I see as different with Obama than any other politician. The desire of his opponents to define him as the scariest thing they can think of.

And, I'm not trying to be fake polite, I really do want to keep this conversation civil. I enjoy trying to understand the viewpoint of others when I disagree, particularly on matters where both sides think their perspective is so obvious.
wtmoore1 Wrote: Jul 10, 2012 4:56 PM
I'm not sure I understand how I am being deceitful or think I'm being sly.

Look, it just seems as though there is an animosity for Obama among his opponents that is unrivaled in my memory. I do remember Bush being roundly condemned, but much for his policy choices and quotable moments (and boy did he provide fodder for the masses), but Obama is used as this symbol of everything Conservatives fear, and I don't really understand it.

I heard someone on Hannity the other day describing Obama while giving a speech, she talked about how his countenance darkened, and said she doesn't understand why everyone can't see that he is trying to destroy the America we know. That's the fear that I see in older, white Americans all over the place.
Hawker 1 Wrote: Jul 10, 2012 4:00 PM
You are a deciteful person and think you are so sly . Your not we know who you and your friends are and how you think . Soon it will be into the dustbin with you for a long time .
Hawker 1 Wrote: Jul 10, 2012 3:58 PM
critical information was needed before Obama got elected. The same information that was needed is still not forthcoming . A community org. = ginning up the wellfare crowd to demand more . With the help of socialist congressperson forcing banks to grant Morgages they knew the wellfare crowd could not and would not payback. Sold those morg. off to fanie and freddie via the same socalist congresspersons . Frank & Dodd. It just goes on and on with socialist dogooders until the other persons money I.E> taxpayers , runs out . So WELCOME to Greese and all other socialist ,communist goverments that have been tried throughout History. They have all failed and still failing now.
I know you are making a false effort at being polite. It does not work
Roy323 Wrote: Jul 10, 2012 3:36 PM
wtmoore--YES! I "can remember a time when a candidate was so roundly condemned " ! Where were you during GW Bush's terms?
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