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Is Hagel out of the Mainstream?

wpqr Wrote: Jan 11, 2013 1:04 PM
I would suggest everyone read Charles Krauthammer's excellent column in National Review to get a different view on this.
RyanM Wrote: Jan 11, 2013 1:09 PM
I would suggest everyone ignore Krazy Krauthammer as he has been one of the people whose been wrong about damn near everything when it comes to the Middle East. There is no reason to believe that all of the sudden he's correct in this case. There is every reason to believe that Krauthammer wants more US involvement in the M.E. leading up to a war with Iran.
wpqr Wrote: Jan 11, 2013 1:19 PM
You and Herman, like Pavlov's dog.

If you read Krauthammer's column, he believes a war with Iran would be understandibly problematic.
But Hagel's view to take the military option off the table and unilaterally eliminate sanctions at the same time would be ludicrous. Does he really believe the Mullahs would negotiate in good faith? We might as well just give them the go ahead to build a bomb.
RyanM Wrote: Jan 11, 2013 1:41 PM
Of course. I see your problem. You can't stand it when others come on a thread to dispute your nonsense, preferring to have the ground to yourself.

If you really wanted people to read Crazy Chuck's column you would link to it.

Speaking of crazy people, whatever happen to Crazy Caroline? (Glick)
wpqr Wrote: Jan 11, 2013 2:09 PM
Okay. You win. I see the error of my ways. So here is what I propose:

Cut off all military aid, trade and diplomatic relations with Israel. Drop a few bombs on Tel Aviv just for kicks. That will make the Islamic world love us. No more terrorist attacks.

Remove the military option and end all sanctions against Iran. The mullahs are kind, gentle peace-loving people who are certainly trustworthy and want nothing but friendship with the United States.

Admit we never should have gone into Afghanistan. The Taliban should have stayed in power and continued giving safe haven to Al-Qaeda. 9/11 was just a misunderstanding and Al-Qaeda really has nothing but admiration and love for the United States.
RyanM Wrote: Jan 11, 2013 2:27 PM
"Drop a few bombs on Tel Aviv just for kicks."

That should have been done back in June, 1967.

Wait a minute. If Israel starts another war via the false flag that results in US casualties this option becomes available again and should be exercised immediately.
wpqr Wrote: Jan 11, 2013 2:32 PM
Why wait? Let's just carpet bomb or drop a few well placed nukes and that will solve the whole problem. This evil cancer will be eliminated once and for all and love and peace will reign throughout the world. Of course, a lot of Palestinians will get killed but nobody cares about them anyway.
wpqr Wrote: Jan 11, 2013 2:32 PM
Why wait? Let's just carpet bomb or drop a few well placed nukes and that will solve the whole problem. This evil cancer will be eliminated once and for all and love and peace will reign throughout the world. Of course, a lot of Palestinians will get killed but nobody cares about them anyway.
HermanBB Wrote: Jan 11, 2013 2:59 PM
To wpqr

So Al-Qaeda had "safe haven" in Afghanistan?

Funny I thought the 9/11 hijackers roamed around the U.S. at will (when we were not teaching them to fly).
RyanM Wrote: Jan 11, 2013 3:12 PM
Herman,

Isn't amusing to watch wqpr thrash about when others bring him up short?
wpqr Wrote: Jan 11, 2013 3:13 PM
So how would you have responded to 9/11?
wpqr Wrote: Jan 11, 2013 3:42 PM
Hey, I'm agreeing with you. I've come over to your side. I've seen the light.

Israel is an evil, filthy, rotten, vicious, fascist, warmongering, racist country full of evil, filthy,rottten, vicious, fascist. warmongering, racist Jews (did I miss anything?) and its supporters in the United States are nothing but villainous traitors. Israel and its rotten Jews should be exterminated immediately.
And the Iranians, the Taliban, the Islamists, Al-Qaeda are all peace-loving people who mean absolutely no harm to the United States.
RyanM Wrote: Jan 11, 2013 5:29 PM
wqpr,

You have plenty of company who agree with you.

http://www.thepoliticalcesspool.org/jamesedwards/israel-cracks-down-on-race-mixing/

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=113724468

http://www.thepoliticalcesspool.org/jamesedwards/zionists-defend-deportations-in-israel/

http://original.antiwar.com/giraldi/2013/01/09/are-israel-and-the-u-s-becoming-fascist-states/

By the way, my own view is that Israel can decide on who they want to be citizens. Too bad so many Jews here seem to believe the US should allow anyone to come here, whether they are assimilable or not. I find this hypocritical as hell coming from people who demand the US support Israel in all matters, no matter what.
RyanM Wrote: Jan 11, 2013 5:56 PM
You forgot one, wqpr.


Sexist.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4330287,00.html
"Chuck Hagel is out of the mainstream of thinking ... on most issues regarding foreign policy," says GOP Sen. Lindsey Graham. Neocon William Kristol concurs: Hagel is "out on the fringes."

But where, exactly, is the mainstream on foreign policy in 2013?

Since the Bush II years, "the three amigos" -- Sens. Graham, John McCain and Joe Lieberman -- have clamored for new wars.

"We are all Georgians now!" thundered McCain when Vladimir Putin was thrashing the Georgians for attacking South Ossetia.

"Bomb, bomb, bomb -- bomb, bomb Iran," trilled McCain in 2008 in parody of the Beach Boys' "Barbara Ann."...