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Friday Fun: Israel vs The World

wpqr Wrote: Nov 16, 2012 10:52 AM
As usual, you don't know what you're talking about. In 1947, the UN partitioned Palestine into two states, one Jewish, one Arab. The entire West Bank, Gaza and a third of pre-1967 Israel were given to the Palestinians for a state. What was given to the Jews were small pieces of land which they had purchased and in which they were the majority of the population. If the Arab world had accepted the partition, there would have been no wars, no "refugees" and the Palestinians would have been living peacefully in their own independent state. Instead, they launched a war of annihilation. That is what caused the Palestinians to flee the land. Incidentally, the same number of Jews were forced out of Arab/Islamic lands.
FlamingLiberalMultiCulturalist Wrote: Nov 16, 2012 2:05 PM
LOL! You just HAVE to show me this census form that has a checkbox for 'terrorist' !! (I wonder if they have one for 'suicide bomber'?....)
Swimware Wrote: Nov 16, 2012 1:22 PM
You have heard of polling? Census?
FlamingLiberalMultiCulturalist Wrote: Nov 16, 2012 1:16 PM
"25% of Palestinians are Christians, yet 100% of Palestinian terrorists are Muslim."

You've conducted interviews?
Swimware Wrote: Nov 16, 2012 12:55 PM
Why is it that the two books most translated into Arabic are Mein Kampf and The Protocols of the Elders of Zion?
Swimware Wrote: Nov 16, 2012 12:54 PM
Wrong. 25% of Palestinians are Christians, yet 100% of Palestinian terrorists are Muslim. Are the Palestinian Christians less occupied?
FlamingLiberalMultiCulturalist Wrote: Nov 16, 2012 12:50 PM

I cannot disprove that. Yet I do not fault the Palestinains for desiring Freedon, Liberty and Self-determination. It's no more than what we wanted in 1776. And the feelings of the Palestinians and the Arabs towards Israel are caused at least in part by Israel's treatment of the Palestinians.
Swimware Wrote: Nov 16, 2012 12:33 PM
"If the palestinians laid down their arms, there would be peace tomorrow. If the Israelis laid down their arms, there would be genocide tomorrow".
FlamingLiberalMultiCulturalist Wrote: Nov 16, 2012 12:22 PM
I do not know the details of each such offer. But I do know that when the Palestinians speak of an Independent State, the Israelis speak of 'autonomy' in reply, something they had a species of under the British.

I cannot guarantee that a Palestinian State would be a peceful one. But there will be eternal conflict until we try, or until the Palestinains all die off.
wpqr Wrote: Nov 16, 2012 11:55 AM
A few points. Five times (1937,1947,1967,2000,2008) the Palestinians were offered a state. Each time they refused. I would like to see a Palestinian state on the West Bank that would live peacefully next to Israel. But many Israelis believe that it would turn into a terror state, as what happened Gaza.
FlamingLiberalMultiCulturalist Wrote: Nov 16, 2012 11:47 AM
I do not know about your demographics. I read that there may soon be more non-Jews than Jews in Israel.

Whatever, I agree that the Arabs must accept Israel. But Israel must also accept an independent Palestinian State, something that the Likud Party platform says that they will never accept. An independent Palestine was promised in 1948.

I support the existence of Israel, I'd send USA troops to defend Israel. Half the states in the Middle east were created by European occupiers, Israel is just one more, it's as legitimate as, say, Jordan or Saudi Arabia.

I think that native americans can be full US citizens, right? Non-Jews will always be 2nd-class in Israel, for instance they cannot command Jews in the IDF.
wpqr Wrote: Nov 16, 2012 11:33 AM
Let's say, for argument's sake, everything you say is correct. So what do we do about it now?
If you look at the beginning of every national state, you'll find wars, invasions, conquests and displacement. A perfect example is the United States. Did Europeans have a right to invade America and steal an entire continent away from its native inhabitants, pushing them off their land, herding them into reservations, waging wars and committing massacres? What's done is done. You can't change history.
Israel has been in existence for over six decades and is home to nearly seven million Jews. Less than 50,000 Palestinians remain who ever set foot inside of israel. They should accept it, get over it, stop whining and make a real peace with Israel.
FlamingLiberalMultiCulturalist Wrote: Nov 16, 2012 11:07 AM
The world and the Jews in Israel were just finding out about the Nazi atrocities, they wanted to bring every Jew in Germany to the new Israeli state, the Arabs were dead set against that. It was a mess....
FlamingLiberalMultiCulturalist Wrote: Nov 16, 2012 11:05 AM
"As usual, you don't know what you're talking about."

Don't be a doofus. The UN continued plans that the British had been trying. Neither the Arabs nor the Jews were patiently, peacefully negotiating. Both were fighting with each other and both were attacking the British as the British tried to keep order on a poverty budget, having been decimated by WWII.

It was Israeli terrorism culminating in the notorious King David Hotel bombing that proved to be the final straw for the Mandate Govt. IMHO, the Zionists did this deliberately because they were confident they could win the inevitably ensuing civil war with the Arabs, and create the jewish state they wanted rather than a negotoiated compromise. They were right.

In light of the media blaming Israel for violence in the Gaza strip this week, which is really just Israel finally defending itself against terrorists after months of rockets landing in the Jewish State, Steven Crowder has made a video explaining the situation in three minutes and gives a compelling argument about why liberals should support Israelis, not Palestinians.