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Stirrings of Secession

Wolfgang6 Wrote: Nov 30, 2012 12:39 PM
The current secession advocates reveal nothing except their own historical ignorance. The issue of the right of secession was conclusively decided when Lee surrendered to Grant at Appomatox Court House, April 9, 1865. It is a dead letter legally. It is also significant that the greatest number of current proponents are from states in the old Confederacy or the guns and bible West - none of which being characterized as places known for their first-class educational institutions. I'd like to see some of these yahoos try to secede - it would be most enjoyable watching them be put down by law enforcement and, if necessary, by the U.S. Army. Grow up and quit acting like spoiled ten-year olds throwing an extended temper tantrum.
miranda13 Wrote: Nov 30, 2012 5:46 PM
" states in the old Confederacy or the guns and bible West - none of which being characterized as places known for their first-class educational institutions."

Since you regard your fellow citizens with such utter disdain, one would think that you would be pleased to see them leave. Instead you are frothing at the mouth and threatening annihilation by the military. This strikes me as a very confused stance. I hate you but if you try to leave I will kill you? This is the sort of behavior that is often displayed in a very abusive marriage. It will be best for both groups if we are allowed to peaceably go our own ways.
Texas12 Wrote: Nov 30, 2012 4:31 PM
TheTexas petition asks to "peacably" secede. Southerners are over-represented in our military and will not fire on peacable Southerners. Your arrogance toward the South and West (snide comment about educational institutions) and referring to honorable people who do not share your values as "yahoos" does not endear you to us. As Thomas Paine wrote so many years ago, "Tis Time to part." We simply ask to leave in peace.
Yan5 Wrote: Dec 03, 2012 12:36 PM
The Onion did a very funny piece on this topic the other day. According to the faux news source, President Obama decided to allow 10 states to secede, 'but no more.'

Do you really think President Obama would allow a single state to secede peaceably from the Union?
Corbett_ Wrote: Nov 30, 2012 1:33 PM
Wolfgang -- you have just shown yourself to be on the side of the tyrants.
Nancy4392 Wrote: Nov 30, 2012 1:30 PM
I hate to say it, Wolfgang, but that attitude, that it's only people from "places (not) known for their first-class educational institutions" feel that secession continues to be a right in a nation formed voluntarily as a loose union of sovereign states - which, as pointed out in other posts, it was clear from the outset had every right to join, not join, or leave as they would - is what makes people like me want to leave. You don't get the assumption of superiority dripping off every word you've written? Why does education make someone more intelligent, more humane, more ethical, or more worthy? How absurd! How condescending. How pitiful.
Yan5 Wrote: Dec 03, 2012 12:34 PM
The whole point of the Constitution was to create a union stronger than 'a loose union of sovereign states.' We already had that under the Articles of Confederation. It was because of deeply experienced shortcomings of that type of union that the Founders decided they needed something different.
miranda13 Wrote: Nov 30, 2012 1:20 PM
Why do you wish slaughter on people whose only wish is to get away from people like yourself?
hiimterry Wrote: Nov 30, 2012 12:54 PM
I love liberty and I hate government intrusion. Why do you think I that qualifies me to be murdered?
modernmover Wrote: Nov 30, 2012 1:24 PM
I have no problem moving to a Red state should this become possible. And, believe me, in no time the Blue states would be broke and starving.
Curtis108 Wrote: Nov 30, 2012 12:51 PM
Wolfgang:

Actually, the question was not settled. A rebellion was put down. The question of states being able to secede has not been answered. The writings of the Founders definitively show that they expected states to be able to leave the Union.
rman859 Wrote: Dec 01, 2012 12:33 AM
Funny Wolfgang, you live in a country that seceded from England.

Are you still loyal to King George, fighting the Colonials?
"When in the course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another ..."

So begins the Declaration of Independence of the 13 colonies from the king and country to which they had given allegiance since the settlers first came to Jamestown and Plymouth Rock.

The declaration was signed by 56 angry old white guys who had had enough of what the Cousins were doing to them. In seceding from the mother country, these patriots put their lives, fortunes and honor on the line.

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