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Obama to Congress: The Time For Immediate Action on Fiscal Cliff is Now

This game can be played well into the spring. Then, make everything retroactive back. Like when Clinton raised taxes retroactive back in an unprecedented, unConstitutional move.
Jerry555 Wrote: Dec 28, 2012 8:28 PM
It is all about TAXES, the Liberals just want more and more, they will never end.

The Constitution is broken.

If the HOUSE does not Originate a BILL to allow spending, then the senate CANNOT authorize monies.

The House holds the Card here, and Dinjee and ObowMao know this.

They are using the Liberal Media to blame them,


To go out and make the Public mad at them, but the real problem lies with the Liberals for spending more than they have.

Jerry555 Wrote: Dec 28, 2012 8:32 PM
The Constitution is broken.

If this is authorized and Boehner and the House do not allow it.

I think it is broken already, the Senate has been using continuing resolutions to fund their party, and by this, I don't mean their politcal party.

Lars795 Wrote: Dec 28, 2012 8:35 PM
The Constitution is not broken, what is broken is a Congress that does not follow it.

And of course Obama does NOT want to go down in history as the first (and maybe only) black president AND the president of the Fiscal Cliff!
Ronald484 Wrote: Dec 28, 2012 9:12 PM
Jerry555 Wrote: If the HOUSE does not Originate a BILL to allow spending, then the senate CANNOT authorize monies.

Perhaps he should read the Constitution that he sayes should be adhered to. If he did, then he would know that it actually said that "All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives...." It only requires that revenue bills originate in the House, not spending bills.
mlew Wrote: Dec 28, 2012 9:17 PM
Even the conservative media asserts that this Congress was the least effective in modern history. America has become ungovernable because of the childish, low information Republican House of Representatives. They do not reflect the goals and wishes of the American people. Most Americans are not like the ultra right, conspiracy theorists who post on this site. They want solutions not the political equivilent of a WWF grudge match. In 2014, we will lose the House too and any chance that we actually had to affect National and International policy will go off the cliff too.

So how did the last-ditch fiscal cliff meeting go this afternoon? Not great. President Obama again put forth the scaled-back version of the proposal he pitched last week.

A source familiar with the meeting told CNBC that Obama was not making a new offer; just laying out what he thinks can pass the House and Senate. That includes keeping the tax cut for those making up to $250,000 and an extension of unemployment insurance for 2 million people. He will then ask the participants what they are willing to support, and if they don't have a counterproposal that...