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Is There Room in the G.O.P. Tent for the Poor?

WiliamGosset Wrote: Mar 13, 2013 5:23 AM
"What government exists for is to secure a free sphere within which every person has an equal opportunity to exercise their God-given talents for the betterment of themselves and mankind." Ah! Therein lies the rub. The current system of non-aid or disproportionate aid does neither. The kid from the ghetto does not have the same "equal opportunity" that a kid from a richer neighborhood does. Ironically, the most productive countries are those that impose a more-or-less permanent class separation so that the downtrodden "know their place." Maybe Ayn Rand was right in her belief in that. Only, she took government handouts too, as it turned out.
Dean197 Wrote: Mar 13, 2013 9:19 AM
Could you quote Ayn Rand on where she says there should be more-or-less permanent class separation? Because I can quote her on taking benefits from a system you paid into your whole working life.
Seawolf Wrote: Mar 13, 2013 7:47 AM
That's misleading ..That ghetto kid has the same gov't ensured opportunity, what he lacks is motivation because of a number of pathologies that exist in his neighborhood. One is that he is a victim, he is but only to the extent that his peers and parent makes him one. He doesn't study because that's a "white thing" and if he does he gets beat up for "acting white".He hears the successful black people being called Tom and sellouts, he sees people who believe they are entitled to other peoples money, especially whites and he sees drug dealers as role models with lots of cash, guns and women..IOW he has NO positive role models..but somehow that's OUR fault so we waste ever more money subsidizing ignorance and sloth .how many more generations?
Dean197 Wrote: Mar 13, 2013 9:31 AM
One source of that pathology is that we've penalized poor African American women for being married to an able-bodied husband. When you're out of work and the math says your family will get more money if you stay out of the picture, that's a terrible incentive. We were being chintzy to save money in the short term to make sure only families who REALLY needed it (single mothers) got assistance, but it has cost everyone involved terribly in the long term.
charlesthehammer Wrote: Mar 13, 2013 7:47 AM
Take a tip from our Asian immigrants. The first generation begins the long journey to affluence. Wealth does not come easily, someone, usually the first generation, forms the groundwork, provides the education for the second generation and so on. Blacks have not done this, they want everything NOW and use the excuse that "whitey" is at fault. Asians come here not even knowing the language and by the second generation are doctors and lawyers. It takes the work ethic and the shame factor to be successful.
Dean197 Wrote: Mar 13, 2013 9:24 AM
They don't know they can't succeed in America, they've been told otherwise. I tutor Bantu refugee children from Somalia. They are following the 'Asian path'. I remember a PTA meeting where a Bantu father was demanding to know why his son was advanced to the next grade when he hadn't learned what he was supposed to in the last grade yet. Those are some hardworking kids, they know their parents have moved heaven and earth to get them the opportunity to be educated in America.

Writing for the Wall Street Journal, American Enterprise Institute president Arthur C. Brooks recently suggested that the G.O.P. is way off base in their assumptions about the moral arguments that resonate most with the American people. Their focus on the economic advantages of capitalism and "values-voter" issues like abortion and gay marriage miss the mark, Brooks suggests. Instead, Republicans must convince the electorate that they are just as concerned about the plight of the poor and downtrodden as Progressives, and further that Republican policies are more effective at addressing these problems than those implemented by the Liberal nanny state....