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How Gays and Women Get In Their Own Way

Whoknows Wrote: Feb 04, 2013 8:35 AM
I for one do not understand the need to infiltrate any club or group that has its own agenda. Why do women feel the need to belong in men's clubs. I do not recall any men trying to get into womens clubs. Form your own clubs and leave others alone who obviously do not want you. I just use women as an example, but am referring to all groups that think they are missing out on something that someone else has. These courts that allow this to happen are ruled by idiots. I do not think the constitution was ever meant to stop people from having private clubs of one kind or another unless it was involved in treason, maybe hate crimes or the like. Men or boys and girls or men need places where they can get away from one another.
ericynot Wrote: Feb 04, 2013 8:50 AM
Who,

"Why do women feel the need to belong in men's clubs?"

I'm not a woman, but I'll take a quick run at the question. Suppose you're an ambitious young woman trying to climb the corporate ladder. Clubs, including those restricted to men only, are often where networking and deals are done (think Augusta National, for instance). If you have no access to those organizations, your chances of succeeding in your business endeavors may be significantly limited.
OriginalWinghunter Wrote: Feb 04, 2013 9:01 AM
If she's climbing the corporate ladder, then she's working for someone else which is her personal choice, and not her right, to do so. The men she's trying to climb the corporate ladder with made their personal choice to belong to a club for all men.

Are we catching on yet??
ericynot Wrote: Feb 04, 2013 9:18 AM
Wing,

So her mistake was in making a "personal choice" to be female. Got it.
OriginalWinghunter Wrote: Feb 04, 2013 9:59 AM
Holy Sh!+ Invincible ignorance or death, eh?? Careful what you wish for.

Gays can be leaders. Women can be leaders. Without realizing it, I think gays and women inadvertently work against their own objective of equality when they force private organizations to support gay and female leaders.

As I wrote here, gays and women are already equal before the Constitution, which defines us by our humanity, not by our sexuality, and is silent on most personal matters like marriage. Furthermore, the more the federal government defines our rights, the less free, equal and human we all become.

Here is what generally happens when minority groups confuse social acceptance with equality...