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Surreal: Obama's Fiscal Cliff Proposal Stuns Washington

wetheliving Wrote: Nov 30, 2012 10:07 AM
First, let's understand what's going on. This isn't a deal the Republicans are going to take. Everyone knows that. It's a ridiculous deal. This is a classic negotiation tactic. The point of it of course is to lowball an offer so as to leave plenty of room to arrive at the deal you eventually want. Now there is risk to having too low-ball an offer. If you are coming from a position of weakness, you get laughed out of the room usually. If you want a house and you bid 50 grand under the asking price, 3 days after it's on the market - you are going to see the seller shut you out, bc you are obviously unserious. Now on the other hand, if you are in a position of strength, you see the other party scramble to concede ground...
wetheliving Wrote: Nov 30, 2012 10:10 AM
Obviously the president believes they have all the leverage, so they can offer something ridiculous and the Republicans will start making all sorts of concessions. I think he overplayed his hand as unserious. The best next move by Republicans should be to shut the door on Obama/Geitner. They don't need to negotiate with him. They need to negotiate with Harry Reid. Obama is going to sign anything as he always does. He is completely unserious. He is NOT even in the room. The Republicans are conceding ground by even humoring dealing with his lacky Geitner who is an errand-boy for the president.

I believe they will do this because they have done it before. They should laugh at/ignore the president's offer and begin actual discussions w/Reid.
wetheliving Wrote: Nov 30, 2012 10:11 AM
Reid is not much better, but at least HE is a decision maker. HE holds the keys. Geitner doesn't. Obama doesn't. You have to craft a deal with Reid. The Republicans gave Obama a chance to be a triangulator, and as usual he passed on that. I feel like this deal is his way of getting out of negotiations so that he can work on his tan in Hawaii.
Joycey Wrote: Nov 30, 2012 10:25 AM
I will bet you 5 bucks that this is all about his golf game.

No no no. OBAMA is this crazy. This is exactly what he believes.
Joycey Wrote: Nov 30, 2012 10:27 AM
Boehner needs to get his but in front of the television FOX NEWS and make sure everyone knows from moment to moment what is going on. This is not a joke.
meowbius Wrote: Nov 30, 2012 10:54 AM
I would love for GOP to place an ad in all strategic lib papers, same as "Petraeus-betray us" in NYT. It worked like an electric shock. This one must be same - full page pithy message: WE ARE NOT PLAYING CHICKEN WITH THE MADMAN, or to that effect. And then - vote "present". It's about time to stop compromizing. Half-measures will no help but just will tar GOP with complicity.

Republicans have been asking for the White House's plan for some time now -- well, they finally got one.  Oh my:

House Republicans said on Thursday that Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner presented the House speaker, John A. Boehner, a detailed proposal to avert the year-end fiscal crisis with $1.6 trillion in tax increases over 10 years, an immediate new round of stimulus spending, home mortgage refinancing and a permanent end to Congressional control over statutory borrowing limits. The proposal, loaded with Democratic priorities and short on detailed spending cuts, was likely to meet strong...