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Wehavemettheenemy Wrote: Oct 27, 2012 7:19 AM
The presidents attitude is in deed horrific. But our Navy is bigger than it needs to be and to say that SEAL team six couldn't have killed Bin Laden without a huge fleet spead around the world is ridiculous. To complete your analogy, you sound like the fight fan that cheers everytime your fighter throws a punch whether it was blocked or not.
inkling_revival Wrote: Oct 27, 2012 7:43 AM
"to say that SEAL team six couldn't have killed Bin Laden without a huge fleet spead around the world"

Haven't thought much about military logistics, have you?
Matt in N.C. Wrote: Oct 27, 2012 7:57 AM
No, he has a point. The SEALs could've taken a tour bus to Abbottabad.
Lori253 Wrote: Oct 27, 2012 9:50 AM
Which part of "above" are we supposed to see? The part where you changed the subject to old pre-WWII ships or the part where training, intel and troop safety to be "irrelevant arguments?" Only an inhabitant of Planet Stupider would find training, intel and troop safety to be "irrelevant" arguments. As the granddaugher of a sailor, daughter,sister, Mom and MIL of Naval officers, I am seriously unimpressed with your family Naval ties. Also not impressed with your lunch with Admiral Clark as my father (USS Indianapolis) lunched with General Paul Tibbits (Enola Gay) and their discussion was completely and diametrically opposite of your discussion with the Admiral. Wehavemet theenemy and the enemy is you. Heartbreakingly sad.
comsense08 Wrote: Oct 27, 2012 7:26 AM
Not so. Do your history. We almost got clobbered by Japan in WWII because we didn't have enough sea power. If it wasn't for the grace of God and the ability of American manufacturing, we would have been beaten. Let me ask you this, on what standard or what facts do you base your "opinion" that we have a "big enough" navey? And you challenge the statement on the SEALS. Then explain to me where they were trained, how they got to theater and how supplied them intel and safe transportation in and out of theater. You obviously know very little about military tactics.
Wehavemettheenemy Wrote: Oct 27, 2012 7:45 AM
As an historian I know a great deal about history. As the son of a naval officer, the brother of a naval officery, and the uncle of a naval officer, I know a great deal about the navy. My lunch with Admiral Vernon Clark, the CNO who greatly reduced our navy while making it more functional for the modern world was also very helpful in my education. His stories of 9/11 were riveting. I like your WWII analogy because it makes my point so well. The Japanese wiped out a bunch of relics forcing us to create a navy for the modern world. Namely aircraft carriers. As my brother the commander would say, at that time there were two types of ships, aircraft carriers and targets. Today he would say submarines and targets though he would point...
Wehavemettheenemy Wrote: Oct 27, 2012 7:47 AM
out submarines aren't ships. Admiral Clark would tell you that reduced funding can actually make your service stronger as efficiencies outstrip cuts. Sort of a laffer curve for the military.

The rest of your arguments are irrelevant.
Wehavemettheenemy Wrote: Oct 27, 2012 7:48 AM
By the way. If you recognize my handle you will know the family from which I come.
Dan107 Wrote: Oct 27, 2012 8:30 AM
You are so full of sh!t you have to wear ear plugs.
Wehavemettheenemy Wrote: Oct 27, 2012 8:48 AM
I bow before your superior intellect. At least you didn't need to resort to an ad hominem with your point by point rebuttle of my argument.
dwhite892 Wrote: Oct 27, 2012 11:34 AM
I've had lunch with admirals, generals, war veterans. senators, congressmen, governors, professors, Nobel prize winners, etc. Served 22 years in the military, taught history, etc. and my brother was a naval commander but that does not make me an expert on the needs of our navy in 2012 or beyond. What I do know is when I served in Spain three different times under Carter, Clinton and Bush is how the NATO military and locals felt about the U.S. They laughed at us under C & C and respected us under Bush.

If Peggy Noonan is correct, and the president’s performance in the first debate revealed him to be “[p]etulant, put upon, above it all, full of himself,” then the two weeks since have shown him to own what they call in the world of boxing, “a glass jaw.”

A glass jaw is the inability of a fighter to take a direct hit, one on the chin, a roundhouse. Once hit, a glass jaw boxer goes down and usually doesn’t get back up. If he does manage to get on his feet, he staggers around, lost and confused. for the rest of the...