Nope. They were not deceiving themselves. Both of those 'public figures' were fully cognizant of their failures and their dishonesty. If there had been any doubt in their minds, all they had to do was look at the bevy of liars they had lined up to protect them.

When 'straight' couples move in together it is a 'normal' association, but it doesn't meet the parameters of a 'marriage'. When sexual deviants cohabitate, there is no possible way for the association to meet marriage parameters ... and they know it. They don't care about the meaning of marriage ... they just want the 'normalcy' implied by the term.

Obama has a hard-hitting interview with MTV slated for tomorrow? Really? MTV? We should all be tuned in for THAT one. I wonder if they'll discuss the advantages of being 'down low' (and 'unavailable') when an Ambassador is being murdered ...

When you're 'down low', nobody is allowed to find you ...

What could the President have been doing that would be more damaging than the gut-punch he is receiving now? If he had been sleeping, drunk, or even in an orgy with his wife, those would all be things normal people could identify with. But, only certain types would be understanding if he was engaged with one or more of his 'down low' contemporaries ... behind a Do Not Disturb sign.

You ended by saying, "I'm an army vet and a gun owner. Not all gun owners agree with the NRA." That's true. There are only five million members, which is a small portion of those American gun owners who (like you) rely on the NRA to defend their ability to have those guns. We should all give a vote of thanks to Prick4260 ... fer nuthin'.

I needed permission (granted by passing the background check) to buy a severely limited version of the rifle I wish I could own. I keep it at all times in my house (on private property) yet government officials think they have the authority to limit the size of my magazines, the cosmetic features of the rifle, and it's rate of fire. If they pass new laws governing those aspects, and find out that I will not comply (which I will not) they will gladly trespass on private property to enforce those laws ... even if my rifle is stored - unloaded - in a locked safe and a danger to nobody.

Dick4260 wrote: We have restrictions on automobiles --- licenses, inspections, traffic lights, even parking ... what's such a big deal about putting restrictions on automatic weapons ... ? Cars and guns makes a poor comparison, Dick4260. There are no limits on how big or small that car can be. No regulation of the size of the fuel tank. No concern whatsoever over what accessories are hanging on it, or how 'scary' thay make that hotrod look. License, registration, parking restrictions? None of those apply on private property, where you can drive at any speed, for as long as you wish, as dangerously as you desire ... and you don't have to ask permission to buy the car.

Sexual deviants ask for tolerance, equality, acceptance, and admiration ... but, most of all they ask to be considered 'normal'. They really don't give a hill of beans about what marriage is, or is not, but they want the term applied to their cohabitation in order to make them appear 'normal'. I have given sexual deviants tolerance, and there are circumstances where I might even admire one. But, to consider them 'normal' would be the same lie that keeps them eternally agitated ... because they know it's a lie.

Ramsey has been informed by Sharpton/Jackson, the Congressional Black Caucus, and the NAACP that it's impossible that a racist white girl might flee into the protection of a black stranger. What Ramsey forgot to consider is that the woman had been locked away for ten years, with no access to liberal/progressive propaganda ... and was therefore unaware that she is a racist.

9-1-1 operator was probably busy watching her favorite Sheila Jackson Lee video ...