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Who Owns You? Dems or Unions?

Vertices Wrote: Dec 05, 2012 12:07 PM
The pension has become a completely obsolete and bankrupt retirement plan ever since companies stopped growing 5 to 10 percent every year during the boom years last mid-century and lifespans have grown by decades since, only causing greater strain on "the money that isn't there." At the same time, public and private unions must be reigned in. For all their political power, that sword deserves an equal and opposite double edge of SEC laws regulating their finances and how they must act during bankruptcy, especially if their special deals were the deciding factor in that bankruptcy. End pensions forever. Define limits, not unending promises of cash that wasn't saved adequately.
DoctorRoy Wrote: Dec 05, 2012 12:14 PM
Hey that's fine. If you want to end the defined pension take it to the collective bargaining table and negotiate. Don't tell a guy after he's worked for you for 40 years that sorry you are sol we can't honor our commitment.
True Conservative! Wrote: Dec 05, 2012 1:58 PM
The "guy" who's a union member, has had ample opportunity to know the unsustainability of the pension they extorted from a company. I have zero sympathy! It's called "chickens coming home to roost", Roy! Tough!
DoctorRoy Wrote: Dec 05, 2012 3:33 PM
Kind of like last month huh?
FletchforFreedom Wrote: Dec 05, 2012 4:27 PM
Why should anyone take it to the collective bargaining table? Why can't producers and workers negotiate freely with one another (generating, as it does, the best ultimate outcome for each)?

Or will the silliness of monopsony be claimed next?
DoctorRoy Wrote: Dec 05, 2012 4:34 PM
Well it's a fact of life that there is strength in numbers. You don't have a problem with people organizing themselves into the Chamber of Commerce or the National Association of Manufacturers do you?
canetoad Wrote: Dec 05, 2012 9:42 PM
Or the National Rifle Association.
FletchforFreedom Wrote: Dec 06, 2012 8:26 AM
I don't have a problem with ANYONE organizing. The problem is the use of force.

That there is "strength in numbers" doesn't apply so long as neither party is REQUIRED to deal with the other.

If you were faced with monopsony, I envy you. I always wanted to play major league baseball even under the reserve clause. Since that is literally the ONLY real world example of monopsony in history...

While it’s a truism that for every finger you point at someone else you’ve got three pointed right back at you, for liberals it’s part of their laws of physics.

It would be impossible for the laws of liberals to govern without this binding hypocrisy that keeps them in orbit.  

That’s why it shouldn’t surprise you that for all the leftist rhetoric about corporations and greed contributing the decline of the country, there’s one corporate outfit that’s really screwing up this country- and it’s a creation and a creature of the left.

Like most Big Left organizations it is...