No I don't concede your point. Your admit your use of egg and sperm as an example was flawed then? Since you are the one who likes to dwell on the point of potentiality, I thought you might like to share when you believe potential life is actualized into a human being. As I said, it takes a particular set of circumstances for a neonate to survive, so where are you drawing the line in the real world of life and death. Or do you simply enjoy 'comment kabuki theater'. If you don't care to get into the reality of when potential life becomes real life, I think I'll call it a night while engage in joy mental masturbation on the subject of potentiality. If you don't want to get to your definition of when life actually begins and the public policy ramifications that might entail, I really don't see the point.