So, if I understand correctly - gays and women should not expect to be a part of groups who wish to discriminate, they should form seperate but equal groups of their own? Gee, where have we heard this logic before? It's interesting that you bring up Ellen Degeneres. The reason Hollywood execs were reluctant was because they were worried that loving, accepting people like you would raise such a stink over a lesbian being on the air, that they would have to pull the show. Perhaps you don't remember how loving you all were when she became the JC Penney spokesperson. There were articles on this very site decrying the situation and encouraging people to support One Million Mom's boycott.