Anonymous - There's really no way to have a serious conversation or debate with these folks. When you inside a burning home, see the smoke and flames, and yet refuse to believe there is a problem, you are so delusional as to be beyond influence. I like to think of these folks as charter members of The Flat Earth Society. It doesn't matter what facts you present, they still see the world as flat.
When collapse comes, they will be the first to have a look of total bewilderment on their faces and be asking, "WTF".