One of these clowns actually told me that the founding fathers would be horrified at the technological innovation of semiautomatic arms, and thus would have banned them forthwith. My answer to that was if you believe that those scholarly fellows would never have used semiautomatic arms had they been available, you know next to nothing about guys such as Madison, Adams, Washington, Franklin, Hamilton etc. By your definition, those men were gun nuts. They would have assuredly made use of semiautomatics had they been available and would definitely have advocated their availability and possession for all citizens. I believe I have the better understanding of what the founding fathers wanted for the republic.