This thread is a great example of why Americans are so screwed up.
Ken posts his pov, and it takes all of 3 posts to go completely, irrevocably off-topic.
We have the ability to argue a point for 30 seconds, because so many are low-information people... we reiterate what we've heard somewhere that fits our temperament & becomes our world-view. When that one thought comes out, we have nothing left to say, so we revert to protecting our psyche and begin the name-calling, half-truths and made-up stuff.
Instead of jumping into the fray here... try reading something (in addition to the bible) that may change your petty approaches to discussion.
If you were all together in a room, most of what you say would never come out.