they have no idea how much fun these rifles are to shoot targets. They're light, , shoot high velocity ammo, particularly if you can use 5.56 surplus ammo, which I get for about 30 cents a round. Far cheaper at the end of the day than an afternoon with my Winchester 94 and much less bruising as well. That's why I have one. I don't consider it a home or personal defense weapon, that's what .357, 9mm or .45 are for.