mmeinicoff Wrote: What kind of progress is that in building a civilized world?
Your presumptive argument amounts to a straw man. Only a world without guns could be "civilized"? Your smug attitude of arrogance is positively sophomoric. Sure it would be great to have no need for guns. If you believe that world is attainable now, take a walk with me through some bad neighborhoods after dark. Near where I live there are reports of "shots fired" every few nights, and home invasions in the better neighborhoods are, at times, almost commonplace.
I'll make a deal with you. Get the civilized world happening and I'll surrender my guns to you.