Okay, I agree that it's human nature, and perhaps I should not have characterized that as greedy or un-American, but I was making a specific point and not talking about liberal policies as a whole. Let me put it another way. If we had the same tax laws but they were voluntary, human nature would dictate that very few people would pay them. That is why the law must be enforced or our society would evaporate. I would call that selfish but others migh say it's just human nature. So that's why we need the laws to be enforced and why there should be laws against (voluntarily) choosing to avoid the taxes that one would otherwise pay. Wouldn't you agree that many if not most of our laws are designed to limit the effects of human nature?