The secessionist movement is less about Obama winning than it is about the Republican leadership's reaction to it: Amnesty. Since Reagan's 1986 amnesty resulted in an _immediate_ loss of Hispanic votes to Republicans, it can't be because they honestly think that the way to reach Hispanics is amnesty even if they _are_ "the stupid party". I mean that is just _too_ stupid. (We can ignore the fact that 2 decades later California will never again vote Republican since, of course, "the stupid party" can't think that far ahead.) We can see that whatever is going on is a catastrophic and irreversible destruction of the United States by "electing a new people". We don't want to be replaced. We want out -- with some territory.