Ok, Romney won the first debate. Ryan allowed Biden to lie too much and did not act aggressively which I was disappointed with, because he said, "lets do this", however Ryan still won because the last 4 years have been a disaster. I would say Romney won the second debate. There were a few parts were Romney could have done better, but over all he did well. I couldn't believe that some people actually thought that Obama won. On what? What great point did he make? The last 4 years has been unemployment, high gas prices and recession. Obama loses by default no matter what he says. Now Willard must win this one, and keep hammering until the election. That is what the people want. So give it to them. Be pushy, even more pushy than libs.