Yes, Ann, but this is the Charlie Sheehan version of "winning". No matter how you look at it- Obama won that debate. Here is a person who shouldn't have even been admitted to college on the basis of his grades. Shouldn't have been give the high-paying jobs he was given based on his talents. Shouldn't have become a multi-millionaire on a book that became sold-out solely on the purchases of George Soros. Shouldn't have been elected to either the Illinois Senate, or the US Senate, and shouldn't have been elected president based on his total lack of proven ability to govern. Yet there he was, debating away on hopes for a second term. So, no matter what- he "won" becasue he is standing there, and by all logical connections he should not be.