The Catholic church, surprisingly, is off on it's doctrine again... God new us before he shaped us in the womb. People can make up all the so-called theological theories they want, and I don't want to right a thesis here, but when you cut off the conceived babies life, you kill the baby. What is the debate? Robert1824 is just brainwashed, and the arguments even sound logically inept. The mothers life is not more valuable than the life of that baby, and if you disagree, are there any other people who's life is less valuable to you? Other age groups? Races? Nationalities? Class? If you don't value a precious, innocent baby in the womb, your moral compass is jacked up and is the broken lens from which you look at the rest of life. Result?