Libertarians and leftists agree -- normal human society is a drag. Leftists want to replace the natural structure with their own, made-up rules. Libertarians want to junk society completely and live solitary lives like tigers and gibbons. Neither alternative is possible, given innate, immutable, inherited Human Nature, but Leftism is an extension of behavior beyond limits, while Libertarianism is a rejection of Homo sapiens' natura/normal behavior completely. The world record for a Leftist society is about 70 years (USSR), while the record for Libetarian utopias (various free-love communes) is half that. From Marx, to Weimar, to Freud, to Ayn Rand, to George Soros, heeding the social/cultural/religious advice of Jews is always wrong.