John, One of the Comrads commented recently that maybe the voters might have something to do with the problem, and perhaps a conservative polititian ought to point that out. You rightly rejected the idea as unworkable (unless you are a leftist). But it [i]is[/i] the voters that elect the polititians that destroy economies. It has happened in France, and it will happen here once the leechs outnumber the producers. That is a systemic problem with an unrestricted franchise. If people can vote someone else's money into their pockets, the natural condition of man guarantees that they will. Appeals to hard work and self reliance are a hard sell these days. The entitlement mindset of liberal polititians and public schools has seen to it.