As for the child discipline problem, you shouldn't wait till their 8 to start telling them NO. It should start when they cannot even walk. My daughter knew when we said no, we meant no and she did not keep asking. Now she's a teenager and realizes that it wasn't because we didn't want to get it for her, we just didn't have the money or she didn't really need it. It's all in how you discipline your kids from the start. I have only taken my hand to my daughter about 20 times in 17 years. And 17 of them were on her birthday.