22 long rifle is all that's needed. 22 charger is awesome man. Its nice to be able to carry 500 rounds of ammo in front pocket also. And its easy to silence. Killed many a deer with 22. Its lightweight, and you can use the same ammo for pistol and rifle. If you know enough about scopes you can make a 300 yard head shot no problem. And you can carry at least 10 of the 25 round clips fully loaded. 10-22 ruger and a 10-22 ruger charger pistol is all you need man. With those two I could disarm any man and take his high dollar guns from him. Nothing like a 22 long rifle in the ear canal. I call it a blue whistler. Lol.