As entertaining as the neo-nazi/neo-con leftist name calling is, what this really comes down to is the struggle between interventionist vs isolationist policy. Pat B. and others on this message board have the world view pre-1914, where only direct military actions against the US should be of any consequence to us in regards to foreign affairs. While it may be comforting to some to believe that we can line our tanks and missiles on our borders and turtle up and be forever safe in our fortress nation, such thinking is misguided. This is not a video game. We live in an ever shrinking world, and being a non-player on the world stage will not lead to prosperity, but our eventual downfall.