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Consistent Hypocrisy of Progressives

ukattan Wrote: Aug 30, 2012 11:34 AM
As a Jew, I see no problem with Christians celebrating Christmas nor greeting each other in celebration. This is a Christian country which allows other faiths to practice their faiths, try that in an Islamic or communist country and see how long you would live. The progressives don't want anyone to believe that there IS a Creator who gives us unalienable rights, they want to decide what right we would have (or not have). They do not want accountability to a higher being than themselves. It's worse than hypocrisy, it's anti G-d arrogance.
kwood742 Wrote: Aug 30, 2012 3:07 PM
Yep. I would wish you a Merry Christmas, and would be happy to hear a Happy Chaunakkah from you. And no, i do not know how to spell it.
inkling_revival Wrote: Aug 30, 2012 3:20 PM
Either "Hanukah" or "Chanukah" will do.
sduffy Wrote: Aug 30, 2012 1:53 PM
There is a difference between saying there is no Creator, and asking that people keep religious beliefs out of the political and governing spectrum. Most Progressives are religious because, as you astutely observed, this is a christian nation with many diverse religions practicing in it. The issue with religion in a democratic government is simple. Religion is absolute, and does not allow for compromise. Something is or isn't wrong. Democracy, at least a functioning one, relies on compromise to accomplish anything of import. The 2 are fundamentally opposed.
inkling_revival Wrote: Aug 30, 2012 3:12 PM
Your opinion is sadly common, but is devoid of historical or factual grounds.

(1) If religion is absolute and cannot permit compromise, how is it that all the major educational institutions of Europe were built by the Catholic church, and that what you call "science" is ENTIRELY a product of religious training? How is it that the study of theology (which is unique to Christianity, btw) continues to foster robust and good-spirited debate after millennia of exercise?

(2) The US Constitution has no objection to religious people exercising religious opinions in the pursuit of policy. On the contrary, that is strictly protected.


(3) The majority of progressives are NOT practicing any religion aside from Progressivism.
Torr Wrote: Aug 30, 2012 4:31 PM
Excellent list, Inkling. i would add:

(4) Our nation is a Representative Republic, not a Democracy, specifically to prevent a majority from forcing the minority to compromise. In a well-functioning government, it is open and honest debate by statesmen that results in legitimate compromise. The parasitic pestilence that masquerades as our Congress today use "compromise" as political cover to incrementally enslave we mere serfs.
inkling_revival Wrote: Aug 30, 2012 4:40 PM
Thanks, Torr.

Not only is religion NOT antithetical to a properly functioning, democratic republic, it is essential to it. So said John Adams in a speech confirming officers to the Massachusetts Militia, observing that the Constitution had no means to restrain the worst impulses of wicked men, and was designed only for a righteous and religious nation. Alexis de Tocqueville, in his analysis of the American people in 1830, found that the notions of liberty and Christianity were so intertwined that they could not be separated.
sduffy Wrote: Aug 30, 2012 6:21 PM
inkling, well written, here is my response:
(1) all the major educational institutions were built by the church because at the time, the church was the most powerful multi-national organization and the only 1 interested in educating the masses. Public education was not seen as a worthy endeavor because the aristocracy of the time viewed knowledge as restricted good and not worthy of the peasant class. Also science began with the Egyptians and was further refined by the greeks. 2 societies that had no connection to the church.

(2) While you are right there, the constitution does have a mandated separation of church and state. Meaning that policy can not be religious in nature.

sduffy Wrote: Aug 30, 2012 6:28 PM
(3) 78.1% of adults in the US claim to be affiliated with christianity, vs 16.1% that claim to be atheist according to a Pew study. So fully 83.9% of the population is religious. That same study shows that as the population ages people become more religious, cross this with the fact that most of the voters in the states are older than 30 and your assertion does not stand up.

(4) You can't on one hand say that we need debate, and then state that compromise is a bad thing. Compromise is often the result of a good debate.

(5) Adams was referring to the morality of the nation, not the governance of it. A small but important distinction. Tocqueville, refers to the alliance of the 2, not the dominance of one over the other.
sduffy Wrote: Aug 30, 2012 6:33 PM
So again, to assert that Progressives want people to believe there is no creator is crazy talk, not consistent with the facts. Religion is a great compliment to a democratic republic, because it fills in where the laws of man should leave off, but it should not be the basis of how we run a government.
Timothy32 Wrote: Aug 30, 2012 6:33 PM
we are not a democracy but a republic thah lost its way. Senators were never suppost to be electect at large.
sduffy Wrote: Aug 30, 2012 6:59 PM
Forgot to add, church was interested in educating the masses so they could read the bible* not for the purpose of increasing education itself.
gsw Wrote: Aug 31, 2012 4:47 PM
Uh - ya forgot that "render unto" part - also democracies vote - (majority rules) republics compromise And do you really believe that in the matter of governance a Catholic is torn as to whether Jaywalking is a moral or venal sin? So don't be silly. Also, early Christians were not persecuted for civil violations of the law but rather their practice of Christianity - you will not find it documented otherwise .For religious government fervor look to Cromwellian England - during one year 98% of all laws passed concerned religious observations i.e. how far one could walk on Sunday - and the Parliament was elected democratically! And most people didn't like it - go figure.
Jeff2422 Wrote: Aug 30, 2012 12:46 PM
Very perceptive comment. Progressives have decided in the their little minds what is right and what is wrong. There is no need for God, they know what is best for all of us. For to believe in God is to believe that man is a lesser being with innumerable weaknesses, and thus incapable of creating his own paradise on earth. They would have to accept falability, even of themselves, which means humility. By golly, the one thing Progressives don't have and don't accept is that they ever could be wrong and show a little humility, by admitting it.

Mac wrote: Where is it written and enforced that we no longer have the right to say Merry Christmas? I don't even know George Soros let alone LOVE him! Would stealing money from clients be like Congress robbing OUR social security? Like trying to ruin the US Post Office so their buddies FedEx, etc. can take over? - in Mr. Crony Went to Congress: Subpoena Soros, Buffett, et al.

Dear Mac,

Christian beliefs in the public square are increasingly under attack.

Here’s an example:

The Connecticut Post chose to not put a "Merry Christmas" greeting in print on...

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