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Escaping the Rat Maze of the Welfare State

tthor Wrote: Jan 10, 2014 10:39 AM
The federal government has been in the business sending people checks for decades. We all know how that's worked out. The notion of the federal government sending people money for nothing is a bad one, no matter you slice it. The federal government should get out of the business of giving people money, period. (This implies, for instance, that the Fair Tax is a dead letter, because without "prebate" checks it can't work.) Rather than having the government give people money, perhaps we might consider a radical alternative: Have the federal government *TAKE LESS*. The federal government charges us all with oodles of "fees" (look at your phone bill or a plane ticket) and imposes employment taxes (e.g. FICA) that hit the first dollar earned, and every following dollar for a majority of Americans. The feds then turn around and "give" some of this money back in the form of the EITC and other subsidies (e.g. Obamacare). This is a moral travesty. Why not just get rid of regressive fees and employment taxes? Why not simply exempt the first X dollars of *everybody's* income from federal taxes, up to some multiplier of the poverty level? It would be easy to do. Simply modify existing income tax brackets to include a broad first bracket with a tax rate of 0%, i.e. an income tax holiday for all. The same thing could be done with a modified Flat Tax. Fixing our pathetic tax law and pitiable welfare state isn't rocket science. All we lack is the will; the way is obvious.
gcauser Wrote: Jan 12, 2014 10:50 AM
Every dollar taxed goes to a campaign contributor and potential voter...Not enough votes to change it. This argument has been lost.

Need a fresh approach to make these people BETTER off than on the dole and you will see progress.

Molon labe
Ann Anon Wrote: Jan 10, 2014 12:00 PM
All to simple and easily understood. Will never fly with the likes of Reid and Pelosi.
Roberty Wrote: Jan 10, 2014 12:50 PM
I think that the FairTax would work without the prebate.
tthor Wrote: Jan 10, 2014 1:53 PM
Roberty, the Fair Tax without a prebate would certainly *work*, but the left would regard it as highly regressive (and rightfully so); there'd be no way to pass it.

I consider myself a classical liberal in the tradition of Locke and his successors on down through Hayek. As such, I believe a just society *is* obligated to care in some fashion for the least of us. My quarrel with the left is primarily over their means and methods. I believe that freedom, free association, free markets, and private charity are the best ways to help the poor, rather than our failed welfare state. That doesn't mean I think the poor should be abandoned to whatever demise fate would have in store for them.
gcauser Wrote: Jan 12, 2014 10:54 AM
A national sales tax of 10 per cent eliminates all other taxes and balances the budget. No one would need to bribe the politicians for special favors and handouts..

That's the reason it will never pass because the people in charge know that we can run deficits as long as we have a federal bank...so their little racket is safe!

Molon Labe..