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Why Don Opposes Capital Rape

true liberal Wrote: Apr 19, 2013 10:20 AM
One of the issues is that rape has been redefined to the point where an intoxicated woman who consented to sex at the time can claim rape because the man plied her with drinks. Sure this is behavior of a cad but is this a capital crime?
James742 Wrote: Apr 19, 2013 10:56 AM
Your scenario doesn't apply to Adams' argument as he clearly references "First degree rape" in the article. Look up the definition and you'll see it is entirely different from your scenario.
Reginald10 Wrote: Apr 19, 2013 1:34 PM
Good point. There need to be several different degrees of rape; and only that resulting in pregnancy or "grievous harm" (specified; no hand-waving) should be a capital crime.
Andy372 Wrote: Apr 19, 2013 10:44 AM
I like the way Mike Adams thinks in this regard, but having known men that have been falsely charged with rape, and even worse been convicted of the modern pseudo-rapes (she decided she didn't want the sex the next morning... after flirting heavily, inviting him up to her dorm room, asking her roommate to find another bed for the night, etc. ad nauseum), that what constituted "capital" rape would have to be VERY strictly defined, and that false accusations would have to be treated much more seriously than they are now, especially on college campuses.
birdfighter Wrote: Apr 19, 2013 10:35 AM
Also if at any time during consensual sex the female says stop, and you don't, that's rape thereafter. Also, in date rape, if the female just felt coerced, though the male didn't actually threaten her or overpower her, that might be rape too. Also in some states, if the female gave consent to sex, but she is just a day short of 18, that's rape too.
n47 Wrote: Apr 19, 2013 10:40 AM
"...if the female just felt coerced, though the male didn't actually threaten her or overpower her, that might be rape too"

The other examples you noted I agree with but this one above? "Just felt coerced"? How does that happen is he doesnt "actually threaten her oo overpower her"? What then compels her to "feel" coerced?
mrz80 Wrote: Apr 19, 2013 11:29 AM
That way lies the somewhat misntrist feminist position that "all penetrative sex is, by definition, rape" since in our current, retragrade, patriarchal society no woman can ever give true, unaffected, uncoerced consent to sex, owing to the huge power imbalance across the gender gap. Which, on the face of it, is absurd. Who REALLY has the power here? If a woman cries "rape" after a night of alcohol-judgement-impaired nookie, the guy goes away for 15 to 20. If a guy cries "rape" after the same sort of drunken debauched night, all he gets is laughed out of the DA's office. But I digress. :)
Ben Linus Wrote: Apr 19, 2013 10:30 AM
if one is not in control of one's mental faculties one cannot grant consent.

The King Wrote: Apr 19, 2013 10:44 AM
So if they both get drunk doesn't she rape him as well?
mrz80 Wrote: Apr 19, 2013 11:25 AM
Hmm... interesting point. Offsetting penalties, replay the down? Or lock 'em BOTH up?

Don is angry with me. He cannot understand why I support punishing rapists with death while simultaneously defending the rights of the unborn. He accuses me of applying double standards, promoting hypocrisy, and of being "inconsistent." But I am perfectly consistent in my beliefs. And, truth be known, so is Don.

The reason so many people are unfairly labeled as "inconsistent" is because the term "double standard" is applied in such a haphazard fashion. People are actually guilty of applying a double standard when they treat two identical things differently. On the other hand, they are not applying a double standard...