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Why a Good Person Can Vote Against Same-Sex Marriage

Troglodite Wrote: Oct 30, 2012 12:04 PM
The argument that government has historically not been involved in marriage and should not be involved in it now has some holes in it. Among the Hebrews, the Greeks, and the Romans, matters related to marriage were all subject to legal regulation. For most of the Christian era, marriage was subject to the canon law of the Church, which served as the public authority in this matter. I would guess that, even in societies where there was no "law" about marriage, there were customs having the effect of law. Today, if we were to make marriage a matter of private contract, courts would still have to consider, in the case of a dispute, whether an individual contract should be enforced.
wmou Wrote: Oct 30, 2012 12:40 PM
Governments have always tried to control the people. I will never accept the govts dictated definition of marriage, even if it agrees with mine.
Troglodite Wrote: Oct 30, 2012 12:46 PM

In this case, that sounds a bit petulant--sort of like a kid pooping in his pants just because his mother tells him not to.
wmou Wrote: Oct 30, 2012 1:15 PM
If the government tried to dictate the meaning of sin, I would reject it, same with salvation, baptism, Love, charity, ....... The govt's definition of religious concepts is meaningless to me.
Troglodite Wrote: Oct 30, 2012 12:14 PM
And who would do the deciding and then the enforcing? If two people married in a Catholic Church and one of them subsequently wanted out, would we leave the issue to be decided by a Catholic marriage tribunal and would we use the police power of the state to enforce the tribunal's decision? If a woman became one of the four wives of a Moslem and then wanted out, would we leave that issue to be decided by a Sharia court and would we once again use the power of government to make that court's decision stick? Seductive as the idea of leaving marriage to be a matter of private contract may be, there are issues here that proponents have not considered.
Troglodite Wrote: Oct 30, 2012 12:18 PM
When people suggest that the government should get out of the marriage business, it seems to me that they are really trying to peddle the idea that the government should rubber-stamp any "relationship" which the parties want to call a marriage. Of course, if it did that, while leaving on the books all the other legislation that references marriage, any individual would be subject to civil or even criminal penalties for discriminating against, or perhaps just hurting the feelings of, any two (or more) persons who called themselves husband and wife.

In short, the entire argument about getting the government out of the marriage business is either ill-considered or intentionally deceptive.
Blair43 Wrote: Oct 30, 2012 12:28 PM
Contract laws are a real hedge to the governmental recognition of marriage - no question. The thing that held everything together was that EVERYONE defined marriage the same way, even if great deference and latitude was granted to clergy and government alike in solemnizing marriages. That is why redefining "marriage" is such a phenomenally BAD idea. It would effectively throw contract law into chaos.
wmou Wrote: Oct 30, 2012 12:41 PM
It is none of the govts business if I am married or not.
wmou Wrote: Oct 30, 2012 1:13 PM
"Actually it is. "
Why? If I want the priveleges and punishments the govt dishes out when we are married, then I might care. If the govt did not bless or recognize my marriage and refused me a license, I would have married my wife anyway and have been just as married.
IsraelFirsterSecond Wrote: Oct 30, 2012 1:24 PM
Ok, it is the government business because of taxes, divorce, children, insurance...

Next week voters in Maine, Maryland and Washington will vote on whether to redefine marriage to include same-sex couples.

Given that there are good people on both sides of this issue, how are we to explain their opposing views?

The primary explanation is this: Proponents and opponents ask two different questions.

Proponents of same-sex marriage ask: Is keeping the definition of marriage as man-woman fair to gays? Opponents of same-sex marriage ask: Is same-sex marriage good for society?

Few on either side honestly address the question of the other side. Opponents of same-sex marriage rarely acknowledge...