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An Evangelical Pope?

Troglodite Wrote: Feb 18, 2013 10:48 AM
Stacey: 1) Also from St. Paul: "though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing." So, yes, it is possible to have a dead or lifeless faith that does not avail for salvation. 2) Logically, if we were saved by "faith alone," then our actions would actually not be of any importance at all, either way. Fortunately, most of us seem to have far to much common sense to buy that and do think that faith should lead to good works and a transformed life. Then again, that was and is the Catholic position, against which Luther and Calvin rebelled. 3) "If one is not seriously repentant, how can one be a true believer?" Do we not read that even the just man falls seven times seven times a day?
dreadnaught/13 Wrote: Feb 18, 2013 6:14 PM


The "reformers" in the 16th century negated all faith in Christ when they demanded faith in the teachings of MEN; their own heresy.

They tried to say all the previous 1500 years had been erroneous. WHY? To unseat the pope; and arrogate all truth to Bible --a Bible they themselves expurgated and edited without apostolic authority.
dreadnaught/13 Wrote: Feb 18, 2013 6:01 PM


You do not "come to Christ" outside the Catholic Church, at all.

You leave Him by turning away from His Church.

If you willfully refuse to confess to Christ's minister the priest; you'll die in your sin. Read John 20 :22 and :23;

This truth is why; evangelicals falsely tell you you are SAVED, no sin can damn you after being saved. Which is a teaching of MEN, prompted by Satan, deceiving souls.

IsraelFirsterSecond Wrote: Feb 18, 2013 4:00 PM
How do you get Christ abandoned His church? I dont understand the line of thinking.
Troglodite Wrote: Feb 18, 2013 2:18 PM
IzzyFirst:

Prayers to the saints and for the dead go back as far as the era of the Catacombs. Of course, the Christians then knew and understood, and Catholics ever since then do know and understand, that saints are to be reverenced and honoured, but that God alone is to be adored. I suppose that you can decide that the church went off track not in Constantine's time, but much earlier, perhaps even in the first generation after the apostles. I have actually heard that argument from one particularly zealous Lutheran. If you want to go that route, however, you must explain why Christ abandoned His church for almost 1500 years and why anything, even the canon of Scripture, that comes down from that time is to be trusted.
IsraelFirsterSecond Wrote: Feb 18, 2013 11:35 AM
For not? One of the reasons for thier coming to Christ apart from the RCC was that they were tired of confessing to mere men. As if that does anything. Christ died so that we could confess our sins to HIm directly. Do you pray to Mary and the saints Trog?
Troglodite Wrote: Feb 18, 2013 10:56 AM
In theory, one can believe and despair or even believe and actually hate God. On the other hand, a living faith issues forth in repentance and in attempts to make restitution, insofar as we can, and to do better whenever we find that we have sinned--which is pretty often.

I think that we are pretty much agreed on all these points. Then again, as I said above, those are and have been the Catholic views on these matters all along. For this reason, at the level of doctrine or dogma, Luther's and Calvin's revolution was for naught.

The media, including some in the Christian media, throw around the word evangelical with little understanding of its proper definition. Most recently, the media has done this in referring to Pope Benedict XVI as the “Evangelical Pope.”

In an attempt to say he’s a missionary-minded Pope, or a proselytizing Pope, they impart a title that would probably make him most uncomfortable.

I have a deep respect for Pope Benedict. Respect for his impressive intellect. Respect for his strong stand on moral issues. Respect for his belief in the uniqueness of Jesus Christ for salvation. Respect for his levelheadedness in understanding other...