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Star of Cancer Ad Joe Soptic Offered a Buy Out by Bain

Triglidae Wrote: Aug 09, 2012 8:02 PM
Just to keep things "real"....9/hr equals about 1400.00 a month. Assuming that the person is not a kid in high school, you get to room mates, each paying 500 a month for rent and utilities, 200 for a used car, and 300 a month for food, that still leaves you 400 a month for fun things. So, yes, a person could live on that. So up every day, bust you butt, and in 6 months you move to supervisor/ dept manager. 2 years later, if you are willing to move around, you are a store manager. You do not NEED cable, cell phone, etc to survive. Also, if you ar ein college, you are going to get a further 300-400 a month from financial aid, after you pay for classes and books.
PurpleStateBlueVote Wrote: Aug 09, 2012 9:13 PM
Oh, and the family thing. Holding off until you advance is fine if you're young AND you can reasonably expect to advance. But when you have large fragments of the population doomed a life to wages on which they can't support a family, you get exactly the thing social conservatives bemoan - the breakdown of the family. And remember, supporting a family isn't just making enough to feed your kids. It's also having somewhere to send your 0-6 yo kids while you're working (you know, until they can enter free public school), being able to take time off when your 3 yo has a fever of 106, etc.
PurpleStateBlueVote Wrote: Aug 09, 2012 9:06 PM
Maybe just the low level, inner-city gang kind of violence born of boredom and hopelessness. But possibly the dreaded Marxist revolution kind of violence. You either give people a little to keep them happy enough or eventually they come with pitchforks and you end up in Little Havana hoping to get back to that plantation one day. And that's if you're lucky.
PurpleStateBlueVote Wrote: Aug 09, 2012 9:03 PM
The problem is all portable jobs, like those in manufacturing, keep rolling toward locales with the cheapest labor. The logical next step in the "moving to where the jobs are" argument is moving to China. Well, more like Bangladesh at this point.

Certainly I wouldn't want a McD's employee as my lawyer or doctor - no argument there. The problem is there are orders of magnitude fewer jobs on each subsequent rung of the proverbial ladder - there simply aren't enough well paying jobs for all those McD's workers, now matter how hard they work. And now we arrive at the cynical argument for an artificially supported living wage (i.e. taxing the hell out of Mitt so that the McD's people can live on what they earn) - the alternative is violence.
Triglidae Wrote: Aug 09, 2012 8:47 PM
Good points. First off, I moved to where the job was. That was just me. Secondly, have you been to the MCDonalds, Stamples, Walmart, and see the kind of people they are paying 9 hr for? Like they dont want to be there, snarly attitudes,etc. If you put in the time, pleasant, work hard, then you will out perform 90% of your collegues, and remember the greedy capitalist will not want to lose you, since yo um ake him money. As for time off, you only work, typically, 40 hours a week, meaning you have a lot of time off. How much time do you need? And if you are "broke", you shouldnt go to Hawaii anyway. And if I am single, I would not start a family, I would be smart enough to wait until I moved up, or went to somewhere better.
PurpleStateBlueVote Wrote: Aug 09, 2012 8:18 PM
And where does the previous supervisor/dept manager move to, Triglidae? You realize this is basically a pyramid scheme you're describing, right? The vast majority of employees the supervisor supervises will never be supervisors themselves - otherwise no supervisor would be needed. So what you're really proposing is a long-term $9/hr career for most people.

Oh, and don't forget that this job comes with no benefits or time off. And if you take some unpaid time off, there's a decent chance someone ever more desperate than you will take your job while you're gone. How are you supposed to, say, start a family with a job like that?

For two days we've been led to believe Bain Capital (two years after Mitt Romney officially left the company) destroyed the life of steelworker Joe Soptic by laying him off. No mention of a buyout, no mention of benefit payouts. Bain simply came in and handed workers a pink slip. Turns out, that's not the case. In an interview with Democracy Now, Soptic admits he was offered a buyout by Bain, something he has failed to mention until now.


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