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Mormons Have Irrational Beliefs? Who Doesn't?

Trent26 Wrote: Jun 19, 2012 10:20 AM
The principle conceit of the most common version of atheism is the assertion that, to be rational, EVERYTHING that one believes must either be: 1) logically provable, or: 2) based on ABSOLUTELY (that is, NECESSARY) and UNIVERSALLY-accepted assumptions (or beliefs taken to be true at the very start of one's thinking-process). The first argument from logical provability is ABSURDLY fallacious inasmuch as it leads to infinite regress. The second argument based one the NECESSITY and UNIVERSALITY of one's assumptions is in NO way superior, in terms of avoiding FANATICISM, than the beliefs of any religious enthusiast. In other words, theists and atheists are not, A-PRIORI, either inferior or superior to one another in terms of rationality.
pastorial Wrote: Jun 23, 2012 10:00 AM
T, you speak from experience
Donjindra Wrote: Jun 19, 2012 11:03 AM
You've taken a survey? I've never run across such an atheist. I don't have any supernatural beliefs. But I certainly don't conform to your straw man.
inquisiteur Wrote: Jun 19, 2012 11:17 AM
Dean197 Wrote: Jun 19, 2012 11:25 AM
Kudoes for asking us what we are instead of telling us. Atheists are anyone who isn't a theist, full stop, no other requirements. It is true that most Western atheists are 'rational skeptics' who think their belief should be proportionate to the evidence for them and that they should be based on as few assumptions as possible; but those are guidelines. Skeptics tend to be cautious about expressing certainty. The Logic Monster that Trent describes is a huge exaggeration, I've never met anyone like that. Even 'famous atheist' Richard Dawkins in his book The God Delusion only gave himself a 6 out of 7 on a scale where 7 was certainty that no God or gods exist.
Donjindra Wrote: Jun 19, 2012 11:55 AM
"D, what is an "atheist"?"

There are a lot of definitions floating around. The atheists I run into simply have no supernatural beliefs. Since Christians seem to want to use their own definition I sometimes call myself a zerotheist.
Donjindra Wrote: Jun 19, 2012 11:59 AM
"The Logic Monster that Trent describes is a huge exaggeration,"

It sure is. I don't think logic proves anything. Logic is only as good as its givens. And those givens are based on empirical evidence. If not, truth claims are in serious doubt.
Commentators on both the right and left and both secular and religious note with disdain that Mormons (Latter Day Saints, as Mormons refer to themselves) have irrational practices and beliefs. The former, we are told, includes the wearing of sacred undergarments and the latter includes posthumous baptisms and the claims by the prophet of Mormonism to have found and deciphered engraved golden plates in New York State.

I read and hear these dismissals of Mormonism with some amusement -- because everyone who makes these charges holds beliefs and/or practices that outsiders consider just as irrational.

Let's begin with the religious critics.

There doesn't exist...