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Jensen and Flynn

Tish6 Wrote: Nov 27, 2012 12:45 PM
Look, I don't drink that much. In fact I was a tetotaler until about 3 years ago. I never got ostracized by friends and family who did drink because I didn't spend my time with them preaching at them about the evils of alcohol. For you to knock have to wonder why God okayed it. If you don't think he did, then why did Jesus turn the water at the wedding into Canna into WINE not water.
Reginald10 Wrote: Nov 27, 2012 3:46 PM
For that matter, at The Last Supper Jesus himself was drinking wine. Note that this was in springtime (Passover & Easter), not in the Autumn when grapes are harvested. Without refrigeration, there would have been no way to produce "fresh" grape juice in the springtime; it HAD TO BE actual wine.
Jeff164 Wrote: Nov 27, 2012 3:01 PM
Jturning most assuredly got "ostracised" from family, not because he is a non-drinker, but because he most certainly preached from his high-horse. Just look at him calling alcohol a "drug". By his argument he comes off as a "holier than thou" bigot, judging people and telling them how they are all doomed and outside of Gods will. I've used the water to wine argument against a few of them. their response is generally that it's "new wine" - meaning just grapejuice. Of course, then I'd through the first chapter in Acts at them - regarding people speaking in tongues when the spirit fell on them. They were accused of "being drunk on new wine". So much for their religious bigotries! You just can't argue with a holier-than-thou @zz.

Anyone who has followed the decades-long controversies over the role of genes in IQ scores will recognize the names of the two leading advocates of opposite conclusions on that subject-- Professor Arthur R. Jensen of the University of California at Berkeley and Professor James R. Flynn, an American expatriate at the University of Otago in New Zealand.

What is so unusual in the academic world of today is that Professor Flynn's latest book, "Are We Getting Smarter?" is dedicated to Arthur Jensen, whose integrity he praises, even as he opposes his conclusions. That is what scholarship and science are...

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