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The Turret Gunner Was a She

Tired in Texas Wrote: Feb 08, 2013 12:19 PM
My daughter spent 8 years as an active duty Marine, including one year in Afghanistan. Her occupation specialty was Field Radio Operator, which is a combat support position, not a combat position. But after she finished her training she told me that one of the first things they taught her was that the life expectancy of a field radio operator in "combat support" was 23 seconds. Why? Because if the enemy can knock out communications, they can keep the unit from being reinforced. I'm not sure what the life expectancy of a grunt is, but I think it's more than 23 seconds.
2nd Fundamentalist Wrote: Feb 08, 2013 9:58 PM
Well, I guess I'm kind of ambivalent about this. Once I was against women in combat, but the women have served with distinction in Iraq and Afghanistan. Let's face it. Some women are tougher than some men (think Olympic athletes versus run-of-the-mill males). Don't forget the women who fought on the front lines for the Russians in WWII when the Germans were threatening Stalingrad and Moscow. Some women just LOVE the military, which is a vocation I wouldn't want.
Bigdogoffthechain11 Wrote: Feb 08, 2013 6:35 PM
The life expectancy of leaders in a firefight is about 10 seconds.
Drifter33 Wrote: Feb 08, 2013 3:08 PM
The issue here isn't how vulnerable a base camp is to an artillery strike. The issue here is allowing women into the ranks of the infantry and other direct combat roles where direct enemy action is assured.

The women in the military have enjoyed "reduced PT standards". Lower standards might allow them to compete for promotion, but they won't help them when it comes to grinding it out with a determined enemy, bayonet-to-bayonet.

Picture a female soldier force-marching under Gen. Patton's command at the Bulge, 1944: over 100 miles walking in the snow, followed by immediately assaulting the enemy without rest. Can the average female soldier do that, having been coddled with "reduced PT standards"?

I think not.

Tired in Texas Wrote: Feb 08, 2013 4:16 PM
I agree with you completely. If she was 23 seconds from death behind the lines, what would her life expectancy be at the front? And there is no way a woman can match a comparably sized man when it comes to physical standards. I am all for women serving in the military in support positions, but I also know the physical and emotional stress that women are placed under.
Bigdogoffthechain11 Wrote: Feb 08, 2013 6:37 PM
Alternate PT standards are appropriate based upon the differences between the sexes. It is not coddling.
Bigdogoffthechain11 Wrote: Feb 08, 2013 6:37 PM
Most radio repair types have this kind of life expectancy in combat units in direct action.
Truckman Wrote: Feb 09, 2013 12:38 AM
What's the problem with assigning women to areas they're good at,instead of,as is being indicated,expecting them to be as strong as men. There are a LOT of areas where women are as capable as men,if not more so. Why not concentrate on utilizing all soldiers with emphasis on their particular strengths and skills,regardless of gender?(Example-"I can't carry as much weight as others,but I can fix just about ANYTHING."or"I'm not a really good shot,but I can carry 100 pounds of gear all day long."
Truckman Wrote: Feb 09, 2013 12:38 AM
I'd by far rather serve with a group in which each person is excellent at their job than to serve with a group in which every person is okay at their job,but COULD do something else MUCH better. Granted,it takes a little longer to learn what everybody's really good at,but it'd pay off in the long run.

Martin Dempsey, the Army general who's now chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, was a division commander when he got to Baghdad in 2003 and climbed into a Humvee for his first trip off base. "I asked the driver ... who he was (and) where he was from," the general remembers, "and I slapped the turret gunner around the leg and I said, 'Who are you?' And she leaned down and said, 'I'm Amanda.'

"And I said, 'Ah, OK.' So female turret gunner protecting division commander."

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